In article <48f0bcc6$0$216$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>, Jerry
<invalid@mail.com> wrote:
> > my reply to this:
> >> forgiveness you say? what a lot of religious crap. For your own good, I
> >> expect nobody believe this bullshit.
> >
> > Every religion I know about teaches forgiveness somewhere in it so it
> > must come from something basic in human nature.
>
> You don't seem to know very much about human nature, do you, Grant the
> multiple? So leave far behind those easy precepts from your boyhood and
> think more about the real and impious human nature.
Everybody knows about human nature because they are human and know what
they do and they can see other humans behaving just like humans too.
LOL
Some people want themselves and other people to be different than they
are so they have to disagree with some peoples idea of human nature.
Everybody wants to be unique. Its all right for them to do this. Its
part of human nature! LOL
> > Its something we need
> > to practice to be happy whether we follow any religion or not.
>
> It's something that 'you' need to practice to be happy. And lamentably
> happy, I could say. So don't confound your particular experiences with
> those others from the rest. Don't confound yourself with me, bytheway, I
> don't deserve such an affront, I told you before.
I think you don't use "confound" right. Makes it a little confusing.
My therapist showed me we all need forgiveness. Its not my opinion but
I agree because it worked.
"lamentably" means bad and sorrow. I'm sorry you feel that way about
people being happy.
You told me things before that don't make sense and lied about me in
your posts. If you want me to respect your opinions do you think you
should be doing everything you can to convince me I shouldn't?
> > The first and most important person we need to forgive is *ourself*.
> > I had to work hard at it but I'm much more at peace with myself now and
> > happy like I never thought possible.
>
>
> About yourself, I don't mind very much. I'm honest, but!
> But think a little about forgiveness itself. Doesn't forgivenes implies,
> inexcusably, something to be forgiven? I can't help wondering the why of
> this compliant attitude, of this sly deception to yourselves. Let's take a
> look at some of the most infamous sentences of the 'fort':
You said it wrong again. Excusing isn't the same as forgiving.
Excusing is explaining away a problem and ignoring it. Forgiving is
accepting the problem happened but stop feeling bad about it. There is
more but for later if you need more help understanding.
There isn't anything about compliance here.
I'm not deceiving anybody. Why do you need to think I am? Don't you
remember you lied about me and what I wrote in my posts? Isn't it you
who are trying to deceive?
> 'I just want to help my brothers', say Dock the monkey
> 'I just want to help everyone', say the suicidal 4sooth
> 'I just want to find solace to my solitude' say Mikey the adventist
>
> 'Just want', what a lamentable periphrasis in your mouths, don't you think?
> It's not your yearning what exposes here, but your weakness. And at the
> same time you show it, you distort proud terms: brother, solitude, help.
> Nauseous. Help who? Help the humanity?, you all better help yourself first.
> What reason can have the poor 4sooth to 'help' the humanity? Is it maybe
> that he determined to be in debt to them? I believe so. Self-humiliation,
> self-mortification I call that debt. And unnecessary absolution I call to
> your 'help', to your 'forgiveness'. If you feel so bad with yourselves, you
> could try to scourge yourself every night before going to bed, that would
> be more honest. What a false help you offer, I don't want it for myself,
> neither received or given, it would shame myself. And with this precise
> shame, you would feed your ego. Preachers, charlatans, vampires of the
> human shame, go back to your god. Go back to your 'fort'. Doesn't the word
> 'fort' itself means a place to hide and refuge? That's what you deserve.
> The new boylovers don't need people like you. Do you really think people
> will come to a place like this? Not in times like these. Your sweet
> mermaid's songs are not made for times like these, just take a look at the
> forums out there.
Down below you admit to contributing to what makes this place bad. Why
do you need to make it happen? Why not try to make this a good place
instead of the bad you complain about? If everybody did it *would* be
good.
I have one mouth. I type with one set of hands. What do you use?
Doc isn't a monkey. He helped a lot of people. He is a teacher and has
raised a good family and supports his community and charities. Who have
*you* helped? What makes you better than him? What good are *you*?
4s00th helped people in the support group. He is much more than just
someone who has some suicidal thoughts. He helped other suicidal people
feel better and want to live. Everybody has problems. You want us to
see yours don't you? Isn't that why you post?
I don't know about Mike but I don't think the Bible needs rewriting
just better understanding.
People need to feel they are worth something. How they try to make that
happen is different for different people. A lot of people want to be
useful and do it by helping people in some way and there are millions
of ways they can and not just with people directly. For example the
inventor who wants to improve the way people to things. Doctors want to
help people. So do sports trainers. It all comes around because the way
it works we actually help each other.
Some people don't want people to be helped. Strange. I don't know why.
Why do you feel that way?
Everybody "just wants". What they say about it can be different than
what they do. For the truth we have to look. What do *you* want to do
with your post? Do you know? It looks like to me you don't want people
who are unhappy and suffering to be helped because you are unhappy and
want to stay that way and are jealous of people who are not as unhappy
as you are so you have to try to make them feel bad and worthless.
What does Morph "just want" his post to do? All I see is he wants
people to feel bad just like you but he tries harder and he wants
(really needs) people to agree with him so much he has to lie and do
other bad things to try to make it happen and he doesn't care if it
makes the fort smell so much like shit that lots of people don't want
to come here anymore. He says I hate BLs but read his posts and mine.
He shows bad feelings about his fellow BLs and I don't. Isn't it true
only a crazy person would try to make people believe the opposite of
what they see? I think he is a sad and lonely person who really needs
help. I'm really glad I'm a fortunate young adult BL who has a loving
supportive family (they don't know I'm not a Republican LOL) and good
counseling and a good job and prospects for a very good future life. I
wish everybody here could be as fortunate as me but without paying the
horrible price I had to pay to get it. I'm sorry they don't but that
doesn't mean I want to do nothing and let them ruin the fort which
saved my life when *I* was suicidal. I'm sure there are other people
like I was who come here. I don't want them to die because they
couldn't be loved back to wanting to live when they come here.
The fort was founded by kids. *They* are the only people who have a
right to define it not you or me. They have and you are wrong. Its for
play.
Your right kids don't want to post here because they would be treated
bad by you and Morph and accused of not being kids and accused of being
other people just like you and Morph do to me. They *see* this. *You*
are one of the reasons they shouldn't be here and see your bad tempered
negative personal attacks. Who wants to see people push their abusive
insanity on other people like Morph does? Don't think hes crazy? He
knows who Doc is and he acts like he doesn't. We all know who Doc is in
real life and where he lives and works after it was posted in the fort.
Why does Morph have to lie about it when we all know the truth? Isn't
that just crazy? Why would kids want to be around that? They wouldn't.
They don't.
Morpheus thinks you and Mike are vulnerable because you look confused
and hurting so instead of just being nice to you he is trying to
manipulate you into joining his destructive insanity. That's the only
reason he posts to or about people like you and Mike. If you disagree,
look at all his other posts as far back as you can go and see what hes
really doing and then you can see why. He has to try to make everybody
who helps people look worse than he feels about himself.
>
> Addendum. As I write, however, I realize I'm going too far with your
> little fort. I'm adopting bad habits, it's becoming personal and tiring,
> and I don't have intention to go along with it. It's time to let you to
> live happy -if you can-, here in you Neverland, and set to drain in the
> winds of autumn this agitated summer creature called Jerry. I also love to
> rise in the summer morn, like the boy of Blake, and this is the moment to
> do it. It's a beautiful october here, so au revoir les enfants, and anodyne
> happiness to everyone. I won't come back so you are free to celebrate, lol!
Morph thinks you will stay just to read his post. LOL
You are right this is like Neverland. Its supposed to be. Its for and
by kids! Us adults are here just because they can't kick us out.
Because we are guests we should behave like good people for them or
leave. You made a good choice.
If anybody wants to discus with me in a nice way about some of the
thing I wrote about like forgiveness I will be happy (LOL) to help.
--
Grant
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