| Re: Hi, Drew. Great to know you're still around! |
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| +Grant (+Grant@grant.grant) |
2008/09/04 21:17 |
In article <Xns9B0FA8417B703m@216.40.28.76>, Jerry <mail@mail.com>
wrote:
> +Grant <+Grant@grant.grant> wrote in
> news:Grant-me-that-0309081@Grant.Grant:
>
> > In article <Xns9B0E97EFA7BE4fort6789@216.151.153.34>, TomBa
> > <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Mephistopheles <NotToday@empty.net> wrote in
> >> news:682rb4h50lqucq21l95otfo3mai5nrl4jv@4ax.com:
> >>
> >> > Yep, sure is. But for you, me & the veteran Cosmos, seems everybody
> >> > else has gone to the moon. Apart from the tedious spammers, that
> >> > is. Even the ubiquitous ranter has stopped ubiquiting.
> >> >
> >> > Not just here either. Quite a few of the once heavily populated
> >> > groups now lie unattended. You don't suppose it's the high cost of
> >> > oil. do you?
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> >
> >> > Messafloppies.
> >>
> >> Hey Mephi;
> >>
> >> I for one am still around, but choose not to join in the 'fighting'
> >> that goes on... Perhaps once things calm down (and get back to
> >> 'normal?') I and others might re-emerge!
> >
> > Hi TomBa.
> >
> > Is fighting not normal? LOL
> >
> > I think it depends on how you define it. Both "normal" and "fighting".
> >
> > For now I think there is no fighting because the people who start it
> > are not posting. I think that will change again when they come back.
> >
> > I think more people cause or help along fighting than they think.
> > Taking potshots at the arguers makes it worse.
> > Giving moral support to an aggressive combatant after he said he would
> > stop encourages him to keep attacking.
> > No side needs lonely provocative cheerleaders.
> > Those are some of the active things that encourage fighting but what
> > about the inactive things? I think they could be worse.
> > Ignoring all the obvious opportunities to ask and maybe demand *both*
> > sides equally to stop fighting is the worse thing we could do. It
> > shows we don't care and because of it we don't have the *right* to
> > complain about the fighting when it happens and we do nothing to help
> > it stop.
> >
> > I don't believe people really want the fighting to stop particularly
> > the people who want to fight no mater what they say to the contrary.
> > They can call it "playing" with people or anything else they want to
> > lie about what it really is they are doing but they shouldn't be
> > allowed to weasel out of their responsibility for the disruption and
> > bad feelings they deliberately cause. We shouldn't let them but "we"
> > do. Its so bad with people who want to fight and people who want it to
> > happen through support or cowardly inaction that people who try to
> > make it stop get accused of causing it!
> >
> > It all comes down to this. People get the kind of fort they are
> > willing to "work" for. Avoiding problems doesn't work. It makes it
> > worse. Complaining doesn't work. It makes it worse. Putting personal
> > issues and friendships ahead of whats best for other people and the
> > fort makes it very much worse. If we show we really *care* about
> > *every* BL here (those of us who do), which is the first and biggest
> > step to a fort we can all be proud of, we could actually have peace.
> >
>
>
>
> Thanks God we have the great Grant to set the rules. But tell us,
> almighty, what came first?, the egg or the chicken? the praise or the
> praiser? the fight or the fighters? the help or the helper? Oh, then,
> excuse my ambiguity, I must be intoxicated by the oozing egotism of your
> words. Nothing to be ashamed, nevertheless we are in the 'fort', lol!
I am not great. I wouldn't want to be if I could. I'm just me, and
thats enough for me to handle right now. LOL
What rules did I set? I don't see any. I discussed and shared some
observations and opinions and made some predictions and recommendations
but I didn't make or set any rules in my post. I wouldn't do that
because in the fort there are no rules. The founder Tommy says so.
If you really want to complain about people who tell other people what
to do (make rules) you should do that to Mephi who told people not to
send email to that crossposter for passwords and Orion who told him
post the password or go away. Why did you complain to *me* about rules
you said I "set" that I didn't and didn't complain to the people who
did? It means you are using this lie as an excuse to fight with me.
By the way I agree with those rules they posted don't you?
If everybody who posted his opinions is "oozing egotism" then that
would include you too wouldn't it? I think you are using that personal
derogatory comment to show your personal dislike of me and for another
made up reason to try to pick a fight with me. It won't work. I gave up
fighting here.
I can help you with the chicken or the egg problem. Its easy. We have
the egg for breakfast and the chicken for dinner. See? The egg comes
first! If this solution isn't what you wanted you should have tried
something else to say what you wanted to instead of trying to be cute.
Thy this one then.
When I came here again after coming back from the war I was attacked
for my *first* post simply for asking why Y Not was being attacked so
strangely and insanely. They accused me of being Y Not then and ever
since whenever they could. Morpheus was one of the worst of them and
still is. I did not cause it. I did not make them attack me. I did not
make them accuse 4s00th of being Y Not either. I ask them not to but
*I* am not fighting when they do it, only they are. They do this to try
to make people violate their security to try to prove who they are, and
they even did that to a child. I think this dangerous thing should be
opposed, don't you?
You posted this to Cosmos "one too many then, very subtle :P" to try to
make it look like he insulted me and get me and him to fight with each
other . It won't work because what you tried to say about his post
wasn't there. He said he posts pictures for downloaders. I'm not a
downloader so I'm not one of the people he posts for. Its that simple.
No insult there. Not subtle anywhere. I think you made it up to cause
fighting.
Thank you for posting to show us what I wrote about people who
encourage other people to fight with each other. You acted the part of
the "Agent Provocateur" here but not very well but we can't have
everything all the time. Your lies and deliberate misinterpretations
and personal attacks say quite a lot about your own lack of personal
quality, more than they say about anybody elses. Well that usually
happens with personal attacks but some people never learn.
What you did was to personally attack me which is fighting. You didn't
have to. I never posted to you or about you ever. I didn't start it you
did. All I did in return was correct your errors and explain things to
you. Now you should understand how it happens. You solved your feathers
and shell game. *This* is *your* chicken and egg that you demonstrated
for yourself. Thank you for your help in explaining it to you.
Want to know why my post is longer than yours?
Accusations and lies take few words. Defending against them with
explanations takes much more words and I think you needed a lot of
them. LOL
--
Grant
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