On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:43:17 -0700, HMS Victor Victorian
<victorvictorian@hushunomail.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:53:33 -0600, Retired <senile@nursinghome.nat>
>wrote:
>
>>Chad (NP-b24) wrote in news:sd7al6997a3ah0rdk7g4eiij5nurouml74@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 19:32:15 -0500, Doc NP-f31 wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dear Fort Members,
>>>>
>>>>Enough confusion, mayhem and hurt feelings have been caused recently
>>>>by a single individual that I am moved to speak out. Many of you,
>>>>especially those of you who are newbies and lurkers, have been
>>>>confused by the multitude of posts by a dizzying array of 'characters'
>>>>who show a particularly nasty streak. It is usually easy to see that
>>>>in most cases the individual is trolling and tends to seek out Fort
>>>>members as targets. What is really confusing is that SOME of these
>>>>'characters' appear to be boylovers.
>>>>
>>>>The poster who most frequently and lately calls himself:
>>>>
>>>>Pig Castrator Hatchet Mus.cled George
>>>>Fort Kittens (Registered, #1, #2 and #3)
>>>>
>>>>has been in The Fort almost since the beginning. Originally known as
>>>>Oden, he was in those days an entirely evil entity. Since then he has
>>>>gone away and returned on a fairly regular basis. The names often
>>>>change and include the following:
>>>>
>>>>Abdul
>>>>human talking ROVER
>>>>Fort Reporter
>>>>newUSER
>>>>**_fact_**
>>>>Choirboy Helper
>>>>
>>>>there are many others.
>>>>
>>>>His posts are easy to spot because they are almost always angry attack
>>>>posts, they tend to be repeated almost obsessively and they seldom
>>>>make any sense.
>>>>
>>>>You may have noticed that he really hates me, a deceased poster called
>>>>Y-Not and now Victor Victorian, who least of all people in usenet
>>>>deserves any scorn. The implication is that Y-Not is me, I am
>>>>apparently dead and Victor Victorian is Y-Not. The genesis of this
>>>>idea goes back many years and is not worth dredging up. Very recently
>>>>George's posts have been extremely nasty and completely untrue attack
>>>>ads aimed at Victor Victorian. So offensive are these attacks that
>>>>they have genuinely hurt the feelings of Victor. What hurts him the
>>>>most is that not one of his many friends in The Fort has stood up for
>>>>him. Including me, until now. I can sympathize with Victor, I have
>>>>been in the same exact place. I have helped hundreds of you over the
>>>>years and when I was attacked about a year ago I felt abandoned by my
>>>>friends and I do have friends here. I came to realize that the
>>>>majority of Fort members either have George kill filtered or totally
>>>>ignore him. That makes sense, but sometimes, as our friends in Egypt
>>>>are teaching us, it is time to stand up to the bully.
>>>>
>>>>I want you all to think about this:
>>>>
>>>>George picks on Victor and no one complains - what if Victor goes away
>>>>and stops posting? George picks on Insane For Boys all the time, what
>>>>if IFB follows Victor out the door? What would keep Dexter from being
>>>>next? Or jimmy? Or Cosmos? Do you see what is at risk?
>>>>
>>>>Here is the question you need to ask yourself: would The Fort be
>>>>better off without Victor or without George? Because Victor won't
>>>>stick around if he isn't appreciated. If Victor isn't here, then I
>>>>don't want to be here. In my mind, Victor embodies everything that is
>>>>good about The Fort.
>>>>
>>>>Two weeks from today The Fort will turn 13 years old. A teenager!
>>>>There is a core of people, including me, who have worked hard the past
>>>>few years to keep The Fort going through the group being banned by
>>>>some news service providers and apathy after The Great Unpleasantness.
>>>>Victor is one of these folks and you can tell who the others are if
>>>>you don't know.
>>>>
>>>>George has no problem with flaming anyone who crosses him. He does it
>>>>mercilessly until he goes into one of his 3-4 month quiet cycles.
>>>>(These are the times when I suspect he has been hospitalized because
>>>>he is a danger to himself and others). What if we shout him down? What
>>>>if we ALL shout him down? Why don't we tell him to play nice or leave?
>>>>Why don't we act like this is OUR group and demand that he behave?
>>>>We've chased out trolls before, we've chased out criminals who
>>>>attempted to prey on boys in The Fort. We can at the very east let
>>>>George know that his disruption and lies are not welcome.
>>>>
>>>>Join me or not. But if things don't change soon, The Fort will atrophy
>>>>because those who make it work will leave.
>>>>
>>>>Doc
>>>>NP-f31
>>>
>>> Dearest Doc,
>>>
>>> Please forgive my apparent lack of support for VV. The fact is, I have
>>> Pig George etc in my kill filter and as such was only vaguely aware of
>>> his inane rants by virtue of his posts being quoted in someone else's
>>> reply. Cancelling that plonk is not something I really want to do for
>>> the simple fact that receiving George's posts is essentially a waste
>>> of bandwidth. Responding to his posts is even more wasted bandwidth,
>>> and even though I have virtually unlimited bandwidth to work with, I
>>> also consider it a waste of time.
>>>
>>> I do have the utmost respect for VV, and for you for that matter, and
>>> would 'take a bullet' for either of you. If you deem it helpful, I
>>> will un-plonk George and jump into the fray. But, as you've already
>>> alluded to, his level of insanity seems to make any kind of
>>> confrontation with him a worthless endeavor.
>>>
>>> I typically recommend against feeding the trolls, but if you want me
>>> to, I'll get my slingshot back out and start firing biscuits at it.
>>>
>>> I stand (well, sit actually) at the ready.
>>>
>>> Chad (NP-b24)
>>
>>I've been frequenting this group for I'll bet 10 years at least. I've
>>seen it almost die and then flourish again. I've never killfiled anyone.
>>I just skip over those posts. I would seem to me that if absolutely
>>NOBODY would respond to those posts, those posters would give up. In
>>other words, don't feed them.
>>
>>Speaking of old times, does anyone know what became of PM (Powder
>>Monkey)? Is he gone or did he just switch nicks?
>>
>>And what about Lil' Stinker (:darkshadows:)? I fear maybe he got in
>>trouble because he was there one day and gone the next never to return.
>>
>>And may Memphi rest in peace
>>
>>I'm not mentioning you old timers who are still here from way back!
>
>
>Dear Retired,
>
>I see your point completely. Kittens subsists on attention, and as
>long as he receives what he considers positive strokes, then he is
>content. But the moment he feels slighted, or disrespected, or in any
>otherway critised, he seeks attention, albeit negative, by flaming the
>object of his ire.
>
>I, for one, expect a certain amount of civility, paticularly from an
>individual who postures himself as a Boylover and group contributor,
>when indeed his is little better than the most irritating of trolls
>... indeed, worse because of his deceit.
>
>But whether I choose to reply or not, is not actually the issue. The
>issue rests on the fulcrum of fidelity ... how we as Boylovers support
>one another.
>
>Good-night.
>
>Sincerely,
>V
>
>God Save the Queen.
>God Bless the Prince of Wales.
>God Preserve the Windsors.
>Rule Britannia!
Hey VV,
I think it is wise to point out that you have received an outpouring
of affection. I want to add that three others have written me so far
to add their support to your cause.
I also want to point out that my thread here has received many
responses (aside from my own) while George's 30 odd one liners have
gone unheeded. I think that Chad's example is what is happening. Those
who understand what George is all about KF his sorry ass. I saw him,
but I figured that you were as immune to his inanity as I am. I wanted
to show you that you are loved and appreciated, and not just by me. I
think I have succeeded.
You rock,
Doc
NP-f31
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