And 4s00th did psot words of wisdom:::
> Thanks for all the kind responses. I must admit that posting all of
> that and getting it off of my chest really did help -- and all of your
> kindness did wonders for me as well.
>
> There is one thing that I would like to key on here -- and that's
> about the "doctor/patient" relationship. Yes, in most cases, doctors
> are supposed to keep anything you tell them confidential -- but that
> isn't always how it works out. Keep in mind that anything in your
> record may be accessible to insurance companies -- not necessarily a
> nice thing. Furthermore, there are particular instances in which a
> doctor is REQUIRED by law to violate confidentiality. For example, if
> a doctor feels that, by your statements and behavior, you are an
> eminent risk to hurt yourself or someone else, he/she is required by
> law to contact the authorities and to have you picked up for
> psychiatric evaluation on a Temporary Detention Order. Under the terms
> of this TDO, you must be evaluated and the evidence brought before a
> civil judge for a hearing within 72 hours.
Excuse me for cutting-in. I have no dog in this fight, and are not a member
of this group. But I do lurk sometimes and watch what is happening.
"within 72 hours"? Its like 3 months in one court case I know about, and
thats all I shall say.
> Furthermore, if you give
> any doctor reason to believe that you are or have been sexually
> involved with a minor, he is required by law to report his suspicions
> to the appropriate authorities -- generally Child Welfare and/or Child
> Protective Services. The doctor does not need to have proof -- he just
> has to suspect that this is the case.
So very true!
>
> Therefore, it is important that, should you be discussing pedophilia,
> you make it clear that you are not sexually involved with a minor,
> have not been sexually involved with a minor and do not intend to
> become sexually involved with a minor despite how you may feel or what
> you might desire.
Don't matter. You are automatically condemned and branded.
> And, even then, such information would be available
> to your insurance company if the doctor details such information in
> your chart. I think I may have stated something to the effect of "I
> haven't been sexually involved with a kid since I was a kid myself
> .... " But even that kind of statement can be fraught with peril since
> they could pull bullshit about you being older than the other kid when
> it happened and so on -- despite the fact that it (as in my case) was
> purely consensual.
Way too much info! This is usenet, not some safe haven. What happens here
goes around the world. No such thing as "child consenuality"! You have
verified that you have condemned yourself. Leave the newsgroups now! Change
your nic! Change your email! Protect yourself! SAFETY FIRST!
> To be honest, I knew that the info would then be in
> my chart, but it was interesting in that my shrink felt that this was
> not necessarily something that my insurance company needed to be aware
> of.
>
> I am not trying to stop anyone from getting help -- if you need it,
> get it! PLEASE! But be careful what you say.
>
> For the record, I know these laws for the simple reason that I briefly
> worked for Child Protective Services and the majority of my career I
> spent as a psychiatric case manager -- basically a social worker.
> These laws are very clear, but they are not always handled properly or
> consistently.
You must live where I live to know this.
> Different agencies and practices have, shall we say,
> differences of interpretation despite the clarity of the law.
Boy and How! Let the nightmare begin!
> Again,
> that law specifically states that if a doctor, nurse, psychiatrist,
> social worker or any other health professional, teacher or principal
> SUSPECTS that a child is being abused or neglected they MUST report
> their suspicions to the proper authorities.
So very true! The key term "suspects" and as I have seen, "that client looks
guilty" which I hated seeing used on a person.
> I believe the same also
> applies to the legal profession, but I am not positive about that. And
> also, FTR, most states require an investigation by Child Protective
> Services -- not the police, though the police may certainly be
> involved under the CPS department or called in later depending on the
> outcome of the investigation.
AHhhhhhhhh! Wonderfull CPS! It sounded so good in college classes and it
looked good when I first went to work. Then you see families being abused by
CPS Agents. Those social workers have more power than God or the local
police, etc. So much more I could start a rant! Where's the soapbox?
CPS can "fuckup" a good family more than they help.
>
> These are issues you all need to be aware of. But, again, don't let it
> stop you from getting professional help if that is what you need.
> There are those of us here who are willing to provide support to
> others here in this group or by email -- but that's just not the same
> as real psychiatric care. And make no mistake about it -- DEPRESSION
> is an illness that needs to be treated by a physician, preferably a
> psychiatrist.
IMHO, I don't like psychiatrists. I have seen harm come from that type of
medical doctoring.
>
> And, let me say once more how much I appreciate how people responded
> to me. In the long run, I know I will survive -- I always have before.
> But that doesn't change the fact that it hurts. Or how much it hurts.
> And I guess there's always the possibility that I will eventually
> reach that point where the pain gets to be too much. I shouldn't
> expect that to happen -- I'm too damn selfish to really want to kill
> myself!
> I mean, without me and my pain and my problems and my
> self-loathing and whatnot, how would the world keep turning?
Oh My! How many times have I heard others say the same thing?
You Sir, must be one interesting fellow.
I would love to meet face-to-face and watch you as we talked about your past
and the causes for your problems. But that will never happen. Safety First!
Besides, I burnedout with social work and the related work long ago!
Too many clients! Too little time! Paperwork out the yeng-yang, and some
asshole stupid supervisor who knows shit telling you how to do your job!
>
> <wbg>
>
> Regardless, it's nice to know that there is a place where I can blow
> off some steam and get some kindness and understanding. Thank you.
>
> Love,
> Steve
Please! Stop giving too much info to the world! Stay Safe!
>
> PS: to HMS -- I'm too stupid to totally give up hope!
>
> -- 4s00th@hushmail.com
>
> My email is always available for those looking for and willing to supply
> support in the effort to remain boy-lovers and not become
> child-molesters de jure if not de facto.
And now I know why you have this tag!
Take care of yourself. I went back reading your other postings and what
others replied to you. People do care.
And again, I'm not a member here. Your pain came thru loud and clear. So I
had to make my comments.
--
DayTek
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