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> On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:43:36 -0500, Chad (NP-b24) wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:43:53 -0500, Doc NP-f31 wrote:
>>
>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20101115/us_yblog_thelookout/
>>>gay-michigan-student-defends-suspended-teacher
>>>
>>>Read the story, watch the video, be amazed.
>>>
>>>I will return later to discuss with whoever is interested this
>>>amazing young man and the implication of what he is doing for men
>>>like us.
>>>
>>>Love to all,
>>>
>>>Doc
>>>NP-f31
>>
>>My Dear Doc,
>>
>>Thank you for posting this. I must agree with Double V that most would
>>be compelled to stand in awe of this courageous young man.
>>
>>The story regarding the suspended teacher was posted on Foxnews.com
>>and at last look, the story had well over 1400 comments. I wish I
>>could say that I was amazed at the level of ignorance and hate in many
>>of the comments, not to mention the sheer hypocrisy.
>>
>>And I've made the same point in many a forum on bullying and gay kids
>>that VV echoed that stopping bullying beings in the home, with the
>>PARENTS. How about teaching kids RESPECT and TOLERANCE for others.
>>
>>As an aside, not only was the young man in the video intellectually
>>articulate, he was pretty darn cute! :-)
>>
>>Again, thanks for sharing...
>>
>>Chad (NP-b24)
>>
>>"Well, can't he just beam up?"
>>"This is *reality* Greg."
>
> Hey Chad, VV, IFB, Fulla, Eh What, Lizard King and all,
>
> HERE is the reason that I believe that boys like Graeme and Taylor,
> the Ohio lad who is a cheerleader, and of course the sad exploitation
> behind the suicide in Boston, will end up helping the cause of
> boylovers in the long run. The key point is that BOYS are beginning to
> speak out against sexual prejudice. The more boys who speak out, the
> less bigotry toward sexual orientation will be tolerated in society.
> Whoin their right mind will stand by and see boys like Graeme be
> mistreated? His teacher is a hero and Graeme is a hero too.
>
> Granted, tolerance of pedophiles will be the last bastion of socially
> acceptable hatred to fall. But to a core of us here, there is a
> difference between a pedophile and a boylover. There are a growing
> number of boys who have benefitted from a loving, supportive and
> nonsexual relationship with a boylover. Some of them are my boys, but
> there are others who are loved by dozens of my BL frineds here in The
> Fort. These boys will find their voice too. Boys like Graeme and
> Taylor are the leading edge, but our loved boys will follow suit. One
> of my boys has already struck a blow for gay youth (literally) and he
> has advocated for me when relatives questioned the nature of our
> relationship when he was younger. The point is the more boys there are
> who have the courage to speak out, the more there will be who will
> FIND the courage to speak out.
>
> The tide has already begun to turn. In a stunning reversal of fortune
> in Italy, the first Italian Bishop to be prosecuted for having sex
> with boys, (and who is an admitted child molestor) is receiving
> unprecedented support from the Catholic populace there. Who would have
> thought that would ever be possible? Italy gave us the beginning of
> Enlightenment with the Renaissance, perhaps they are starting a new
> Renaissance of sexual sanity?
>
> If you have a boy in your life, give him every reason to be thankful
> for having a loving man in his life. He will grow up to be a man who
> believes in boylovers. Who knows? He may find his voice before then as
> Graeme and Taylor have. All they need is a reason to speak out and an
> example to follow.
>
> Agreement? Disagreement?
>
> Stay Safe,
>
> Doc
> NP-f31
Answer.txt
YOU:
Hey Chad, VV, IFB, Fulla, Eh What, Lizard King and all,
HERE is the reason that I believe that boys like Graeme and Taylor,
the Ohio lad who is a cheerleader, and of course the sad exploitation
behind the suicide in Boston, will end up helping the cause of
boylovers in the long run. The key point is that BOYS are beginning to
speak out against sexual prejudice. The more boys who speak out, the
less bigotry toward sexual orientation will be tolerated in society.
Whoin their right mind will stand by and see boys like Graeme be
mistreated? His teacher is a hero and Graeme is a hero too.
Granted, tolerance of pedophiles will be the last bastion of socially
acceptable hatred to fall. But to a core of us here, there is a
difference between a pedophile and a boylover.
ME:
??????????
Maybe is there a difference for YOU between a pedophile and a "boylover", but unless you clarify this statement, I don't see any...
Or, is it that a so-called "boylover" is just an adult who like childrens?
Then, I believe 99,999999999999999999999 % of all human population in the world, past, present and future ARE "boys and girls lover". All parents do like their children even if, sometimes, they act in a way that seems to prove the opposite. But they are humans, just like the so-called "boylovers" and they make mistakes with their children. Nobody is perfect.
As soon as there is sexuality involved, if I understand you well, the so-called friendly boylover become a hatred pedophile?
So, it is sexuality that is bad in essence... right?
.........
YOU:
There are a growing number of boys who have benefitted from a loving, supportive and
nonsexual relationship with a boylover. Some of them are my boys, but
there are others who are loved by dozens of my BL frineds here in The
Fort. These boys will find their voice too. Boys like Graeme and
Taylor are the leading edge, but our loved boys will follow suit. One
of my boys has already struck a blow for gay youth (literally) and he
has advocated for me when relatives questioned the nature of our
relationship when he was younger. The point is the more boys there are
who have the courage to speak out, the more there will be who will
FIND the courage to speak out.
.......
ME:
OK, now. Enough!
Nonsexual relationship is benefitting whilst sexual relationship is bad???
Hey! Come on... Think again about it...
.....
YOU:
The tide has already begun to turn. In a stunning reversal of fortune
in Italy, the first Italian Bishop to be prosecuted for having sex
with boys, (and who is an admitted child molestor) is receiving
unprecedented support from the Catholic populace there. Who would have
thought that would ever be possible? Italy gave us the beginning of
Enlightenment with the Renaissance, perhaps they are starting a new
Renaissance of sexual sanity?
....
ME:
I don't know on what planet you live, but here, on planet Earth, 100% of all the media are condemning the attraction between a grown up adult and a minor, and sentencing that kind of acts by long and even longer prison.
Just to put your clock at the right time:
Amazon has just stopped selling a certain book LAST WEEK.
The pope who has just finished a meeting with the Princes of their Church where one of their resolution is about this subject THIS WEEK???
The endless list of decisions, acts, law suits, mediatisation of so-called "offenses" (some going back thirty, forty years ago...) against boys is answering your above question and make me feel like you are a day dreamer.
....
YOU:
If you have a boy in your life, give him every reason to be thankful
for having a loving man in his life. He will grow up to be a man who
believes in boylovers. Who knows? He may find his voice before then as
Graeme and Taylor have. All they need is a reason to speak out and an
example to follow.
Agreement? Disagreement?
Stay Safe,
Doc
NP-f31
.....
ME:
This invention of the term "boylover" make me laugh. It is just a term you use between you guys to lower your guilt. Even between pedophile we don't agree as you can see.
"Oh, right, I am a boylover and I would never harm a boy... I simply masturbate three/four times a day in front of my computer playing series of photos of cute, semi-nude or nude boys. I would never touch one. I condemn those who do have sex with minors..."
Take all these guys, put them in a context where laws would not prosecute them, where the families of the boys they love would welcome them (Father: "please, stay tonight and if you don't mind, we can only offer you to sleep with Toby in his bed because we don't have an extra bed, but promise, we won't disturb you because we know, my wife and I, that Toby likes to be alone with you like my wife and I"), and would these so called "boylovers" still be non-sexual lovers???
Or maybe is it you don't have a sexual life? Or you sleep with your wife and when you make love with her (two times a year) you simply imagine she is one of your loved boys like many of my friends used to do???
....
Being attracted, aroused sexually by the beauty of boys is not a choice I made. I wish I could be part of the majority stream and have an erection just by seeing any adult woman. But it is not the case.
You think you are helping. You are simply creating another sub-category called "boy lovers" that allow you to spit on those who have the courage (yes It takes courage to confront one's own unlawful, deviant from the "norm" desires) to put their life in line with their toughts...
So now, there are two other new categories to add to those existing: those BAD guys who are having sex with boys, those BAD PEDOPHILES opposed to those HEROES who are overcoming their sexual drive and desires, those GOOD BOYLOVERS.
...
I know many of them. I even participated in a group of "boylovers". They all hated me because I had sexual intercourse with boys. When they where going out in group, they where talking about their "boy moments".
Them:
"Oh! Look at that boy!!! Isn't he gorgeous! I would not harm him if I had a chance!!!"
Translation:
"Fuck! How come is it that I can't have sex with this cute lad!"
Them:
"Yesterday, I was in the subway going to work. I crossed this class of elementary student. There was one of the boys who looked at me right in the eyes. Since then, I cannot stop going back to that same station in the hope of seeing him again. Do you think he WILL recognize me when I see him again?"
Translation:
"I'm sooooo alone a mere glance is enough to fill me with joy. Imagine being with him!!!"
....
That said, I am tired of reading this "boyloving" pseudo-philosophy. I have had sex with boys and girls in the past. We have had shared pleasure doing it but it was mainly MY idea in the first place to befriend them in order to have sex. Of course, there have been many exceptions to that, but I am not going to try to embellish the situation by writing the opposite.
And believe me, all of them loved me, many times more than I loved them because my love faded away after they were grown up whilst their love is still very present, even after all those years who have passed. But I am not a boylover. I am simply a pederast attracted sexually to boys from 10 to 20, capable of the best but seen as the worst by all, you included.
...
You wanted reactions. That's mine and I totally disagree with you guys who are calling yourselves boylovers. In my mind, a grown up adult who is sexually attracted to minors is faced with two choices: be a good, obedient citizen who will never break the laws of the country where he lives and have sex only with those permitted (13 in Spain, 18 in good ol' U.S. of A.), or a bad, non-obedient citizen who goes by his own morality law.
This is why we need those laws because what would happen if you are aroused by toddlers, babies.
Me, as a pervert pederast (seen as such by you boylovers), what do you think that I think about these guys who are taking pleasure in fucking a five year old in is ass? Or an even younger boy or girl???
This brings the subject of "where do we put the age bar when it comes to sex?".
For the laws, it is clear. It is age X and must be consensual.
For the pedophiles, it is anything.
This guy will say 14 is OK
This other one will say "the age of reason" (an old concept put forward by the Catholic church before giving the first communion around the age of 7 seven)
This third one will say: my 3 year old daughter is a real sex maniac! She never seems to quit masturbating so I think it is OK to have sex with her because she really likes it!
And the "norm" citizen will think:
14???? This guy really has a problem. He should consult before it is too late...
7??? Fuck man, if I ever catch him doing it, he'll never be able to have sex with nobody for the rest of his miserable life.
3??? This guys doesn't need a trial! Just throw him in a hole and bury him alive because even paying 50 cents for a bullet would be too much money spent on him!
....
So, finally, I guess that being a "boylover" that would never harm (my understanding of that statement is: "never have sex") a loved one is a safe way of acting in our times.
But remember: according to the "norm" you are in the same bag as all the others if you are found posting/downloading/possessing illegal material and even if it makes a whole difference for you, you will be treated as one of those.
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