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bobandcarole wrote:
> Todd's Views: Pedophilia
>
> A while back I happened across a news group that dealt with pedophilia.
> What I expected to see was perhaps a support group for victims or
> something. What I found was entirely different. People were discussing
> the legality of marrying 11, 12, 13 yr. old children. Complaining about
> "harrassment" from law enforcement officials for having sex with the
> neighbors kids. Swapping fantasy stories about sex with children
> involving acts, described in infinite detail, which I won't sicken you
> with here.
>
> On this news group there were the occasional outraged messages --
> people doing the e-mail equivalent of screaming "pervert". I responded
> to one of the messages, one in which the writer had called the
> subscribers of the forum "pedophiles", posted for everyone in that news
> group to read. I told her that, unfortunately, she'd picked the wrong
> forum to go calling someone a pedophile. In these news forums that's
> like calling a programmer a hacker -- he'd thank you for the
> compliment.
>
> The pedophile is incapable of the reasoning required to see that what
> they're doing is wrong. The child cannot possibly be sexually aware
> enough to understand what is happening or what is being asked them.
> They have no way of attaching meaning to the acts or of predetermining
> what emotional effect the relationship would have on them in the long
> run. Pedophiles see this innocence as sexually attractive without
> thinking through that the innocence is itself the reason for not
> attempting a relationship which can only mimic an adult relationship,
> that in fact the very act of using a child's innate trust to instigate
> sexual acts with a child, besides being a violation of that trust,
> corrupts that innocence.
>
> Obviously a child will be curious when approached. Obviously they will
> have little or no real idea what the pedophile is suggesting. And that
> curiousity, that willingness, coupled with the reassurances and
> reinforcement from an adult, are translated in the pedophiles mind to
> mean acceptance and desire. For this reason pedophiles are often
> correctly termed predators, since the other person's innocent naivete
> and underdeveloped emotional tools for handling sexual situations
> inspires a sense of opportunism in the pedophile.
>
> But don't take my word for it...
>
> Childlures.com
> A very educational site. Be sure to read "profile of the molester".
> The Movement Against Pedophilia on the Internet
> A movement to find pedophiles that lure children via the Internet and
> stop them.
> Andrew Vachss
> A "crusader" against the exploitation of children. Objective,
> educational.
> Protect Your Children From Internet Pedophiles
> Mental Health Net - Pedophilia Symptoms
> A "mental health" description of pedophilia symptoms.
> SEX OFFENDER TREATMENT. DOES IT WORK? IS IT WORTH IT?
> The U.S. Customs Child-Porn Informant page
> Report a pedophile and possibly receive a reward for information on
> alleged child abuse on the Net.
> Save The Children.
> ECPAT - End Child Prostitution in Asian Tourism
> National Center for Missing and Exploited Children
>
> (NOTE: The first few items in the above list of URLs was borrowed from
> -- ready for this? -- a pedophile's web page. It was meant as a warning
> page for pedophiles, sort of a "who's who" of the enemies of people
> that prey on children. Pedophiles form their own networks, helping each
> other to avoid law enforcement officials and prosecution.)
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> Pedophiles. Are they sick? Most assuredly. Should they be stopped? For
> the emotional and psychological well-being of the world's children,
> absolutely.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> A letter from someone who was molested as a child:
>
> I appreciated your article on the damage pedophiles have on their
> victims. As a victim of such myself, I know firsthand the devastating
> effects. Yes, I have e-mailed many people advocating such behaviors.
> It's my hope you keep up your campaign.
> I need to point out one bit of information. A pedophile (true
> pedophile)
> is not "created" by his circumstances. It is a mental illness definable
> in the DSMRIII manual. A true pedophile can not be rehabilitated. A
> person who has been abused as a child may certainly repeat those
> actions
> in the future, but with treatment can put that behind him. Pedophiles
> can't. Not a big deal. Just thought you might enjoy a little
> clarification.
>
> Again, thanks for your stand. Together maybe we can rid the world of
> those who destroy lives in an effort to satisfy their own selfish
> wants.
>
> Patrick Phelps
> patrickphelps@usa.netI want to thank Mr. Phelps for contributing that.
> When asking if I could add his letter to my page, I offered anonymity,
> which he declined. Mr. Phelps has my admiration and my best wishes.
>
>
>
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>
>
> What would I do if I came upon someone sexually molesting my sweet,
> beautiful, 3 year old daughter? Well, quite frankly, I'd kill that
> person. With my bare hands. I'd tell my daughter to go to the car and
> wait for me, telling her that I needed to talk to her new friend. And
> then, once she was out of sight, I'd murder that individual. If he ran,
> I'd chase him, hunt him down, with no limit to my endurance, my
> strength, my determination, until I caught him. I have no illusions
> about my mental and emotional limits when it comes to protecting my
> family, and I would kill that person without compunction, without
> remorse. In my eyes, I would not only be removing the threat to my own
> family, but to hundreds of other children. I would stand before the
> judge, I would admit that I had murdered that person, and I would ask
> for leniency given the context of the situation and the fact that I
> have a clear record. And I would gladly serve whatever time the court
> handed down, safe in the knowledge that one less predator is loose in
> the world.
>
> Understand that I am not premeditating murder, nor am I advocating it.
> I simply know, knowing myself and my emotional responses, how I would
> react in that situation.
>
>
>
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>
>
> A while back I received a series of comments from someone named Vadime
> . Vadime feels that children are harmed more by TV violence than by
> sexual advances from adults.
>
> [sic]
> Well, I believe that rather than by sexual relations, childs would be
> hurt by the violence on TV, stupid parents fighting each other all the
> day, scoolmates that beat them, drugs and so on. In fact, being a child
> I was hurt by several of above so deeply that I feel the trauma today.
>
> Vadime did not feel that my views were realistic or factual, and asked
> that I point to some examples of children being harmed by sexual
> molestation.
>
> [sic]
> I'm eager for having evidence, and especially REAL CASES, not just
> theory.
>
> Would anyone who has had experience with sexual molestation, TV
> violence, and schoolyard bullies, please feel free to drop Vadime a
> line and give him a non-theoretical comparison of the damage caused by
> these childhood horrors? Thanks so much...
>
>
>
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>
> Ah, another pedophile has come knocking on my door. Seems they get real
> offended by this page. Well, as Harry S. Truman once said, "They think
> I'm giving them hell. I'm not giving them hell, I'm just telling the
> truth on them." And so a young man who goes by the (probably
> fictitious) name of Chris Smith has explained to me in often crude and
> colorful language that he believes that pedophilia is natural and
> wholesome, that kids need a little sexual attention from adults now and
> then (whether or not they're hurt by such attention is, in his words,
> "a matter of technique"), and that people of African descent are, by
> genetic design, criminally immoral and inferior. In his comments on gun
> control, his sentiment was that "Guns don't kill people. Niggers do."
>
> I attempted to enlighten this individual, but to no avail. I finally
> asked him point blank what he thought his white-supremacist,
> good-ole-boy, "my-life-is-crap-let's-go-string-someone-up" friends
> would think of what he was doing to their kids. He avoided that
> question for some time before admitting that he wouldn't dare bring it
> up. Wonder why?
>
> Please click here to send Chris Smith a message explaining to him that
> kids don't need some grown man molesting them. It's not natural, it's
> not wholesome, and that regardless of his "technique", he is scarring
> these kids for life.
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> 08/24/1997
>
> Over the weekend, a friend of mine went to a softball game that was
> held in a local park. After the game, some of the kids of the parents
> playing in the game came running up. The kids, ranging in age from 6 to
> 12, told their parents that they had seen a man exposing himself in
> front of them and playing with his genitalia. The men got a quick
> description of the person from the kids, then ran over the hill to
> where the children had been playing. The man in question was not in
> sight, but after looking around the park, the sighted a man fitting the
> description. He saw the group, smiled and tipped his hat, then began
> running. They chased him, but he nearly eluded them. Just as they were
> about to catch him, the police arrived, apprehended the man, and took
> him into custody.
>
> Now, if you're a pedophile, you may be thinking to yourself that this
> was just another pedophile being persecuted for his sexual orientation.
> Well, perhaps. But the next time you think that you're normal and just
> misunderstood, think about the reaction that this man got to his
> actions. The kids didn't like it and didn't think it was right. The
> parents probably would have stomped the life out of him if they'd
> gotten to him first. And the police arrested him. That's an awful lot
> of people with the exact same reaction to one person's actions. Society
> doesn't welcome that form of interaction, and even places a criminal
> value on it. No other form of sexual expression receives the same
> universal and instinctive reaction from the members of society. Sounds
> like the pedophile is not so "normal", doesn't it? Sounds to me like
> perhaps that pedophile should have kept his sexual expression within
> his own home and not afflicted others with it.
>
> If you're not a pedophile, if you're a parent reading this, let this be
> a warning: DO NOT LEAVE YOUR CHILDREN UNSUPERVISED IN A PUBLIC PLACE.
> As sad as it is, sexual predators are out there, and no place is safe.
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