In article <0001HW.C8483DB70023938EB02919BF@news.newscene.com>,
Morpheus <Morpheus@dreamland.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 02:29:58 -0700, Mover wrote
> (in article <230620100529584651%Mover@Watch-Me.com>):
>
> > In article <0001HW.C846F27500334980B04179BF@news.newscene.com>,
> > Morpheus <Morpheus@dreamland.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 02:30:30 -0700, Mover wrote
> >> (in article <220620100530302733%Mover@Watch-Me.com>):
> >>
> >>> In article <Grant-me-that-2106104@Grant.Grant>, +Grant.
> >>> <+Grant@grant.grant> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In article <180620100422161815%Mover@Watch-Me.com>, Mover
> >>>> <Mover@Watch-Me.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article <Grant-me-that-1706101@Grant.Grant>, +Grant.
> >>>>> <+Grant@grant.grant> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> The Adventures of Stevie #8
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> These stories were told to me by friends and other people. Some of them
> >>>>>> are true. Some of them are only partly true. Some of them should have
> >>>>>> been true. LOL
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My first post about Stevie ("Call me Stephen!") was when he was 12 and
> >>>>>> in summer camp and was told by another camper. This was from a time
> >>>>>> before computers would fit on a desk and when people communicated with
> >>>>>> friends in other countries by actual letters sent through the postal
> >>>>>> service. When children did this those friends were called "penpals".
> >>>>>> Carlos is Stevie's penpal in Argentina and knows English. This is a
> >>>>>> fictional contrivance to enable Stevie to tell us his stories because
> >>>>>> he isn't here in person. I think.
> >>>>>> The stories may not be posted in chronological order.
> >>>>>> Stevie's new school is for gifted children who don't fit in regular
> >>>>>> schools.
> >>>>>> Stevie is 10 in this story, which takes place two months after story #7
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Adventures of Stevie #8 "Turn the Table"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dear Carlos,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have to make this short because I have a lot of homework to do, and
> >>>>>> I want to play with a friend before he leaves. Short isn't right
> >>>>>> because the paper is just as long. Ha ha.
> >>>>>> We have a family stay with us for a week before they move to their new
> >>>>>> house in the next city. They are a mother and father and a girl Tanya
> >>>>>> age 13 and a boy Jeremy age 16. At first Tanya was very nice to me but
> >>>>>> not after Jeramy was real nice to me. It started when the four of us
> >>>>>> were playing cards. We played changing poker. The deal changed after
> >>>>>> every hand and the dealer said which kind of poker we would play then.
> >>>>>> I always choose 7 card stud with nothing wild. I like not knowing the
> >>>>>> down cards of the other players and it's all about luck and betting so
> >>>>>> it's harder for me to win. Most people like draw poker better. Tanya
> >>>>>> smiled at me a lot but didn't say much. Jeremy smiled a lot at me too
> >>>>>> but he said nice things. When I said we were going to play 7 card stud
> >>>>>> he said that's good because he's a stud too. I said you don't look like
> >>>>>> a piece of wood in the wall. He said that's not what it means. I said
> >>>>>> it is and it means a boy horse making more horses too. Look it up in
> >>>>>> the dictionary. I know it's there because I read it. He said you read
> >>>>>> the dictionary? The who thing? I said yes. Didn't you? He said nobody
> >>>>>> does that. I said I'm not nobody but I did it too. He looked confused
> >>>>>> for a second. Ha ha. Then he said he thinks it means you are a real man
> >>>>>> with a big dick and that makes him a stud. Then his sister got mad and
> >>>>>> she and her friend left the table and went in the living room which
> >>>>>> made me alone with Jeremy in the bedroom. Jeremy said fine now we can
> >>>>>> be real friends. We played some more poker.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I was winning a lot and he asked me are you cheating. I said no but I
> >>>>>> thought he might think what I was doing was cheating. I told him I did
> >>>>>> what real poker players do. I guess right about what kind of hand he
> >>>>>> has by the look on his face and how his body moves. He said that was
> >>>>>> really neat. Then he scrunched down in this chair and stuck his long
> >>>>>> legs out under the table and put them on my chair between my legs. I
> >>>>>> thought that was strange but didn't say anything about it because we
> >>>>>> didn't have shoes on so he wouldn't get marks on the chair. Just as I
> >>>>>> was looking at his face to see what kind of hand he had he touched my
> >>>>>> monster with his toes. I jumped a little and said why did you do that?
> >>>>>> He said to distract me so I couldn't read his face. It worked and I
> >>>>>> lost. I told him the next time to be careful or something bad will
> >>>>>> happen. He said what? I said just be careful. The next hand was
> >>>>>> alright. The hand after it he grabbed my monster with both feet and I
> >>>>>> jumped back and fell off the chair so hard I landed halfway out the
> >>>>>> bedroom door while he was trying to dodge the table which my knees made
> >>>>>> fly up into his face. He fell back in his chair and the table landed on
> >>>>>> top of him. We had a rug on the floor so the only noise was my knees
> >>>>>> hitting the table which wasn't loud so the other people in the living
> >>>>>> room didn't know what happened.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My back hurt a little and I was trying not to cry in front of him when
> >>>>>> he got up and put the table back on its feet. He ran over to me and
> >>>>>> said are you hurt and I said just a little in my back. His face
> >>>>>> crumpled up and I think he was about to cry for me and he hugged me
> >>>>>> really gently and lifted me up and put me on the bed. It was very nice
> >>>>>> of him. He touched me all over and asked it it hurt anywhere. I said no
> >>>>>> except when he touched me between my legs and I said be careful. He
> >>>>>> jerked his hand back. I think he was afraid he had hurt me with his
> >>>>>> feet which made me jump away from the table. I told him I wasn't hurt
> >>>>>> there but I am very ticklish there and couldn't help jumping away like
> >>>>>> that. He said he was very sorry but could he make it up to me later? I
> >>>>>> said okay.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jeremy woke me up in the middle of the night and asked if he could make
> >>>>>> my back feel better with his hands. I said if he wants to. I was on my
> >>>>>> stomach so he lifted my PJ shirt up and ran his fingers all over my
> >>>>>> back. It felt great. Then he said I should take off my PJ bottoms so he
> >>>>>> could do my legs because it will make my back feel even better. He
> >>>>>> helped me take them off and he was right. It was wonderful. Even my
> >>>>>> monster under me liked it a lot. So did his monster I saw standing out
> >>>>>> of his PJs. He said I should turn over so he could do my front. I did
> >>>>>> and I knew what he would say so I said it first yes it's big but be
> >>>>>> careful not to make me jump away again. He ran his fingers all over my
> >>>>>> front but not on the monster which was jumping like doing fast pushups.
> >>>>>> It was funny when it smacked into his hand when it was near which was a
> >>>>>> lot of times. I was breathing faster and so was he. His monster was
> >>>>>> jumping too. Then all of a sudden when his fingers ran over my nuts the
> >>>>>> third or fourth time my muscles tensed up and I started shaking and
> >>>>>> there was a very strange but very good feeling all over I don't know
> >>>>>> how to write about. Then it was over and I was all relaxed and sleepy.
> >>>>>> Jeremy was making low moaning noises and then his monster he was trying
> >>>>>> to keep still with his hand squirted white smelly stuff all over me. He
> >>>>>> said sorry when he could catch his breath and said it means he likes me
> >>>>>> a whole lot and went to the bathroom to get a towel to clean me up. He
> >>>>>> did and hugged me gently and said he likes me a lot over and over again
> >>>>>> and kissed me on my cheek. I told him I like him too because I do and
> >>>>>> kissed him on his cheek because I thought he would like it very much
> >>>>>> like my parents do. Then something wet from his face fell on me in the
> >>>>>> dark. I think he cried because he was too happy. Then we went to sleep.
> >>>>>> Only his arms were around me all night but I felt a special kind of
> >>>>>> warm all over me in my sleep.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We got up in the morning and I'm writing this to you now which is
> >>>>>> longer than I thought it would be. Jeremy is going to leave tomorrow
> >>>>>> and I will really miss him. I'm going to tell him tonight before we go
> >>>>>> to bed my back still hurts a little. I'm going to put a towel under my
> >>>>>> pillow just in case. I looked at him just now and touched my back. He
> >>>>>> winked at me!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Your friend,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Stephen
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Great story. Well crafted, engaging, surprisingly romantic, and the
> >>>>> wink is inspired.
> >>>>> The heat is not an entirely unwelcome extra. LOL
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mover, reeling his tongue back in
> >>>>
> >>>> I forgot to thank you for your kind words.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, thank you for your kind words.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you had a name I could use I would put you in my stories.
> >>>>
> >>>> The first part of story #9 I just posted, which are explanations, is
> >>>> extra long because it lays the foundations for a lot of the stories
> >>>> which come after. I try to make the explanations interesting, but they
> >>>> are merely devices I can hang the main stories on.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've written up to story #12 where Stevie meets Kit Hacker.
> >>>> In his bedroom!
> >>>> KH gives some really good advice, and something else. I hope he likes
> >>>> it if he ever gets to read it. I think he would.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have story ideas and plots for most of the first year in summer camp,
> >>>> and the second year of school, and the second year in camp, and the
> >>>> third year in school. They are a lot of fun, and some are even more
> >>>> hot, and there will be important life lessons learned, and clues to
> >>>> some mysteries I will hint at. I don't know if I will write the
> >>>> stories. A lot of why I wrote and posted them was for Doc, who could
> >>>> use them to help the kids he meets. My feelings about that have
> >>>> changed.
> >>>
> >>> Don't let fools make you into their likeness. You're better than that.
> >>>
> >>> You, and your stories too, are appreciated by many here.
> >>> Take heart by that, and put it back in your chest.
> >>>
> >>> Mover, the life coach?
> >>>
> >>> Ps
> >>> I don't employ kill filters, but I just now returned a poster to my
> >>> ignore list, which has only ever contained one BL.
> >>
> >> BTW I see that you and (ahem) Grant are still using Thoth and manipulating
> >> your headers, but still can't resist putting the date in there also.
> >>
> >> Like DNA, I tell ya....
> >>
> >
> > Check the headers some more. The message IDs don't match in format.
> > Mine matches what every other Thoth post shows, which contains a code
> > and email address in the same format. Grant's posts do not show a Thoth
> > format. I don't know how to change it, or if it's possible.
> > The only fixed header thing I know how to change is the wording of the
> > User Agent, which has been posted about in the Mac groups.
> > Your posts have the server date in the same place as mine. How you see
> > it is caused by your software and server. I don't know what other date
> > in my posts you refer to, and I don't care.
> >
> > Trolling with stupid lies won't do you much good, when they are easily
> > proved false by simply looking. The Mac groups are full of Thoth
> > posters. Their header formats match. They are not all one poster. That
> > would also be true if Grant posted with Thoth, modified or unmodified.
> > There is no "DNA" matching of individual posters in usenet.
> >
> > My ignoring you, is for treating you as something other than a troll.
> > It does not conflict with correcting your lies.
> >
> > It would have been more honest of you, if you had informed Grant
> > directly that you don't like his stories, than to have attacked him
> > this way, in his own story post thread. He wouldn't have seen it, but
> > if he had by accident, I think he would have been pleased he didn't
> > please you.
> >
> > Mover, the individual
>
> You are lying (again).
>
> You do know how to manipulate headers. It is obvious. That Grant's headers
> are not the same as yours means nothing. Of course, you make them different
> because you want to create the illusion that this is two different people.
> Why you do this juvenile bullshit is a good question, but there is no doubt
> that you do. This nonsense has persisted for well over two years....go
> figure. Many people besides me have commented on it as it's just as obvious
> to them. ABC used to rip you up all the time for this and gleefully showed
> the Usenet your fuck-ups when you made a mistake. Other than snapping your
> jock once in a while, I can't be bothered....
abc didn't post to me anything when I didn't post. I started posting
long after he left.
My headers can be compared to any Thoth poster in the Mac newsgroups.
That will show I don't manipulate them. Why do you keep lying so
obviously? Do you have some mental illness that makes you disregard
reality, and assume others do as well, and even more strange, assume
they actually care about what you post about this?
People who have no doubt, are also missing a lot of positive attributes.
I recall there were some posters who said, gleefully and in surprise,
that Grant had manipulated the headers in one his posts, specifically
the message ID. Then another of Y Not's attackers, Q, who is quite an
expert at this kind of thing, shot them down, and said it wasn't so.
What they saw was duplicated in many other posters' posts. They didn't
take into account that different servers have different influences on a
post's headers. That was the only time I have ever seen message IDs
challenged, until you have, and I have been visiting these groups since
before you and Y Not ever showed up.
Grant's posts show he has since changed to a different newsreader, and
different server. I don't remember what he used previously to his
current way of posting.
So Y Not could modify his post's headers. So could KH and Q. Good for
them. Since I'm not them, that doesn't apply to me, and it still
wouldn't, if I someday do learn. If I were interested.
> Thoth (an outdated news program for Macs) has default header layouts (like
> all the others) but they can be easily and rather thoroughly changed. User
> Agent is only one of the items that can be changed in Thoth. You, for
> example, use a dating system in your headers that hasn't changed
> (essentially) at all. In some cases you manipulated your message ID. It is
> obvious that you keep and file posts. Why you bother with this nonsense is
> also a mystery. One can only assume that your purpose is not one of
> helpfulness.
No, only you assume, and that's because you want to, and with no basis
in fact.
The other people here simply don't care, and you can't make them care.
How can it be obvious I save posts? There is no evidence for that.
There can't be, because I don't make a practice of it. I don't even
save my own. LOL Why should I, when I can see them in the group, with
Astra's gigantic retention? When will you ever make any sense?
Actually, I wish I had saved one of my posts. The one with the birth
story. In the Fort, some little time before Grant posted his first
stories. I think. Since it was in a reply, I can't search for it by
title. I could try to write it again, but I couldn't be sure it would
be as good as the original. If you saved it, please repost it.
I'm not here to help anyone. I'm here to have fun. I help sometimes,
only because I feel like it. What are YOU here for? No help at all,
obviously, because you could have.
I have never manipulated any message IDs. I don't recall seeing
anything to indicate Y Not ever did it, either. As far as I know, his
posts always showed they were from Thoth, a program he actively
supported.
> I am using Hogwasher and it does not allow much header manipulation. If I
> chose to, I could use Unison which is much more flexible and then fool with
> my headers also. In fact, I have done so in the past while mocking you. I
> don't do it now because I have no reason to. I'm not trying to create any
> illusions or fool anyone.
It doesn't surprise me to know you do what you hypocritically accuse
others of doing. In fact, it's obvious to many* that you can only use
what you do yourself, or want to do, to attack people, because you can
conceive of no other actions.
*In this context, "many" means almost all who were attacked, and almost
all the unbiased observers. Some may not have cared enough to try to
understand you.
Since you admit you have used disguised posts to attack me, shouldn't
it now be assumed that you haven't stopped doing it, and will continue
doing it as long as you keep posting against me this way you are doing
here, or in any other way? Why stop one way, and not another? Do you
really expect anyone to believe you would stop, or even could?
Shouldn't it now be assumed that ALL subsequent attacks on my posts,
and on the posts of anyone you think are the long departed Y Not, who
said you would do this, by any "poster", are in fact from you? I think
it's entirely reasonable to assume this.
You are also lying again. or maybe you are just ignorant. ALL
newsreaders can be manipulated to fully customize headers to the limit
of what the servers will accept. Just because you (so you say) and I
don't know how, it doesn't mean it can't be done. The creators of the
programs obviously know how!
Why do you feel the need to mock anyone here? Does it make you feel
better about yourself? (lost cause LOL) It can't be because you hope to
convince anyone to join you in your insanity, because you are not going
about that in a way that has even a small chance of being successful.
No reasonable person would like the sniping trolling you do, or would
respect the poster who does it.
> Why do you assume I don't like Grant's stories? I have not commented on any
> of them. Just another Y-Not lie. In fact, I haven't read any of them and
> have no comment.
More lies. Do you really expect people to believe you don't read the
text that's quoted in your replies? Even I don't think you could be
that nutso.
You did post to some of his stories before he resumed the Stevie
series. I think you still read them. There has been no change apparent
here, that would have caused you to stop what you were doing before.
> Be sure and stay "Awake"......LOL
>
I customarily do not sleep while typing.
You can accuse me of lying all you want. I don't care. I could lie if I
wanted to, but I just don't feel like being wrong. You obviously don't
have any aversion to being wrong. LOL
What I say about these things are verifiable to anyone who does some
research, which most here know by now that such a concept is totally
foreign to your way of "thinking". They can also see that what you
accuse me of, not only has no evidence to support it, it isn't even
reasonable as a fantasy.
One more little thing. Do you really think you gain credibility by
using obvious lies to try to convince people someone else is lying?
Absolutely ridiculous, is a gross understatement! LOL
It's been fun, but I tire of this.
Mover, over and out
Ps THIS post I will save. If only I could decide where... LOL
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