On 4-Dec-2005, MichaellikeGod@heaven wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 06:42:14 -0500, "::Y-Not::" <+10$-Y-Not@here.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <c1a5p1plapek20qfagfevm4hfbocftfli3@4ax.com>,
> ><MichaellikeGod@heaven> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 20:40:41 -0500, "::Y-Not::" <+10$-Y-Not@here.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <0001HW.BFB75C6E002F5C62F0305550@news.easynews.com>,
> >> >Caprice
> >> ><Caprice@badluck.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Mr. Michaellikegod:
> >> >>
> >> >> Y-Not is most assuredly not interested in debating theism with you.
> >> >> He is
> >> >> trying to find out more about who you are.
> >> >>
> >> >> You have openly admitted to felonies in the groups...I won't recount
> >> >> them,
> >> >> but I think you can figure out what I'm talking about by re-reading
> >> >> some
> >> >> of
> >> >> your 'confessionals'.
> >> >>
> >> >> If this information and information about who you are is provided to
> >> >> LEA
> >> >> (the
> >> >> kind of thing Y-Not by his own admission has done), you may well be
> >> >> investigated.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't think that's something you want.
> >> >>
> >> >> My adivice is to stop talking about things and in particularly stop
> >> >> trying
> >> >> to
> >> >> joust with Y-Not. It's a set-up.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Well, should he follow the advice of someone who doesn't follow his
> >> >own
> >> >advice? :-)
> >> >
> >> >Have you noticed that Michael requires proof? And he's very particular
> >> >about it's quality, too. Too bad you can't give him any.
> >> >
> >> >Please show evidence that I have ever provided information about
> >> >posters to LEA. I sure would like to see how you will try to prove
> >> >what
> >> >I haven't done. :-)
> >> >
> >> >What I'm doing with Michael, is mostly to entertain PM, because he has
> >> >cut himself off from the Fort, and is missing some fun things.
> >> >With Michael, directly, I'm mildly interested in finding out WHICH
> >> >scripture, among many, he worships.
> >> >Another minor purpose to my involvement with him, is to help him to be
> >> >noticed and taken more seriously by others. I'm giving him the
> >> >opportunity to express himself, to someone who is actually taking him
> >> >seriously. Who else is doing that? Do you think anything useful will
> >> >ever come of his posts, if he stops interacting with me?
> >> >
> >> >Note that he called me "black". Is the messenger worthy of his
> >> >message?
> >> >No. I wish to help him be so. Do you?
> >> >Which is your true priority here? Michael's welfare, or your obsession
> >> >to attack me wherever you can? Your reputation precedes you.
> >> >
> >> >You promised you would not use security for personal attacks, yet you
> >> >keep doing it, as you are doing here. Isn't your word worth ANYTHING?
> >> >Should I mention your past email security attack? :-)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Y Not
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >PS.
> >> >You haven't said whether you agree or disagree with what is in my
> >> >posts
> >> >or his posts. I'm really interested in your opinions on the actual
> >> >issues we are debating. Please share them. Who knows, he may even
> >> >listen to you.
> >> >By the way, I just gave him a useful web reference. Think he will use
> >> >it?
> >> Hi Y-Not
> >> I require proof of the truth in matters. I don't regard any falsehood.
> >> I stick with many different interpretations of the Bible. I
> >> particularly use the NIV but have posted from an International
> >> Children's Version of the Bible among King James and others. I have at
> >> my disposal about 12 different interpretations of the Bible.
> >
> >Good. :-)
> >
> >> I do not worship the Bible. I worship God the Father, God the Son
> >> (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. I do not worship material things
> >> that have been derived out of God's creation.
> >
> >Here we differ. You worship what you assume to be God's true words, as
> >written in whatever source you use as the Bible. It's a Book. To you it
> >is infallible. This meets the qualifications of worship.
> >
> Even a screwdriver is infallible for its purpose. The Bible to me is a
> tool for living, not to be worshipped but used for its purpose.
>
> >> The fun things you say I am missing out on...hum, what fun things? Is
> >> child pornography a fun thing? Is exploitation of children a fun
> >> thing? Is causing a child to practice immorality a fun thing? Who is
> >> being damaged, the perpetrator or the child? I am an advocate for the
> >> child. Yea, there are some posts in here that are pure in nature like
> >> what BB posted a week ago and then maybe the jpp series, but most of
> >> the content that is posted is child pornography and I will do my best
> >> to post in my messages indirectly that posting such content is wrong.
> >> Then it is the intent of the downloader in using such content to
> >> portray to him/her that such content is immorally wrong to possess and
> >> for whatever purpose it is used, should be stopped.
> >
> >I'm sorry. Here you betray one of your failings. You are not reading my
> >words accurately. I said nothing about you missing any fun. It is PM
> >who is missing it. You do not even allow yourself to see and usefully
> >understand what you think you will dislike in my posts. I see you do
> >this misunderstanding, quite a lot in your replies. I know why this is
> >so, but you would not like that to be expressed here.
> >I take great pains to communicate very accurately, being very careful
> >to use terms that closely match the perceived ability of my reader. I
> >also do research. I don't write about that which I don't know. I have
> >some significant health problems that cause my typing to be very slow
> >and painful. Please respect this. I that request you apply as much
> >effort as I expend in this, to fully understand what I write, or our
> >dialogue will be wasted.
> >
> I admit my failings. I don't have to betray myself in a
> misunderstanding. Yea, I need humbling from God at times.
>
> >I will discuss the exploitation of children later. Since you seem not
> >to know why I'm here in these groups, you may be surprised about a few
> >things. :-)
> >
> >> I do not need to belong to your fort....I do not belong to any
> >> organization. I am just a Christian. I am a bond-servant to Jesus
> >> Christ whom requires that I go forth in the world and spread the good
> >> news about Him and share the gospel and give my testimony of how He
> >> has transformed me by my acceptance and belief in Him. I smile when I
> >> say this about transformation because this transformation can be for
> >> anyone whom God calls upon to be born again and converted by the
> >> washing of the blood of Jesus Christ whom washed my soul by virtue of
> >> the cross.
> >
> >The Fort is a newsgroup that was established by a preteen boy, many
> >years ago (he just turned 18), for boys, and people who care for them,
> >to gather for social activities. It has since evolved to become the hub
> >of this Boy Lover (BL) community, of which this newsgroup is a part.
> >You can not know that you need or not need something of which you are
> >unaware. Therefore, it is unwise to make such claims.
> >
> >> What have you tried to help me with Y-Not? You have only proved to
> >> yourself that you do not know Scripture because of the words you use
> >> when trying to convey a Scripture message in your posts. If you would
> >> begin to reread Scripture and use the proper word used in the context,
> >> then you would prove to yourself you have no argument in which to base
> >> your point upon.
> >
> >Unless you are much older than I am, I have studied more of the
> >scripture than you can imagine. One of your problems seems to be that
> >you cannot accept that someone may know more than you do. This shows in
> >your replies. The other poster in this thread is like this, hence his
> >resentment of me, that causes him to oppose me every chance he gets.
> >
> Then quote from scripture that which you understand. Use denied
> instead of disowned like you wanted to reference on Peter the night of
> Jesus' crucifixion. Then to reference three donkey things had me go
> back in my mind about what you meant by three donkey things. You are
> very vague in your points and are not being specific. If you want to
> reference God's Word, then quote from it and maybe we can come to an
> understanding about what is really being told through the Word. Two
> minds are better than one in this prospective.
>
> >> Actually...LOL...I find this post to be mildly intriguing and positive
> >> for a change without attacking my integrity. Yea, I admit I have a lot
> >> to learn yet for I am still a toddler in the eyes of God just learning
> >> how to walk with Him and realizing that holiness is possible.
> >
> >We will see. So far, my comment above seems to be most appropriate at
> >this time. Hopefully the situation will change. :-)
> >
> >> Holiness
> >> is worthy of absolute devotion to God. I called you "black" because of
> >> the way you have portrayed your knowledge of Scripture. You do not
> >> have the light of Scripture in your heart and your heart is closed or
> >> uncircumcized or I could use other words. I invite you to look up
> >> Scripture and provide the truth to your posts and then maybe the light
> >> will come on.
> >
> >You do not have any knowledge of what is in my heart, unless I tell
> >you. I very carefully do not allow it to be expressed in any other way.
> >Therefore, is is unwise of you to make such claims.
> >
> >My posts to you were made with scripture as reference, some of which
> >was actually included, that you seem to have disregarded, and the
> >available knowledge of centuries of intense study by thousands of very
> >wise men. I made nothing up. Reading the Bible isn't enough to
> >completely understand it. One must understand it's context and it's
> >history. For centuries, there have been Bible scholars whose words of
> >wisdom are greater than any you or I are ever likely to produce. It
> >would be foolish of us indeed, to disregard all they can teach us. It
> >is only through SHARED understanding, that we can travel beyond our own
> >limited abilities, to achieve heights of understanding that would
> >otherwise have been beyond our reach, for which we would be forever
> >unaware.
>
> Also include the passage where the Scripture is you are referencing,
> i.e. Matthew 24:10, etc.
> >
> >> God Bless
> >
> >God will dispense His blessings as He Wills, and not at anyone's
> >direction. This also applies to His curses, if He so chooses.
> >It is arrogantly presumptuous, and sacrilegious, for any man to direct
> >Him in this.
> >But it is permissible, and very desirable, for a man to give his own
> >blessing to his fellow man.
> >By these words, do you now understand and accept that I am qualified to
> >teach this?
> >
> God does not curse. Only man is cursed by his own actions, behavior,
> intentions, etc. God can send His wrath but He cannot curse. But then,
> the devil can curse because the devil is there to curse before God in
> that God cannot be God amongst mankind whom are sinners.
>
> >> t Michael t
> >>
> >
> >I am here to give whatever PRACTICAL protection to children my presence
> >here can provide. I was requested to do this many years ago. To some
> >extent, I have succeeded. Have YOU?
>
> Yes, through my confession, I have led some into giving up their
> habits. Have you any confessions or are you perfect? I have had some
> responses in regards to the number I give for calling for salvation. I
> don't directly, but I know indirectly that it is working.
>
> >But I pay a heavy price for this commitment. Do YOU?
> I take joy in persecution.
>
> >This has caused me to be persecuted by some BLs, and the Trolls who
> >sometimes attack them. Caprice is one of my attackers, as you may have
> >noticed.
> >
> >I never lie. I write only about what I know. I make a great effort to
> >not be in error, in my well qualified professional judgement. I
> >apologize when, in my own judgement, I am wrong.
> >
> >I have a mission. You can aid it, oppose it, or interfere with it as
> >you are doing now. To aid it usefully, you must become more
> >knowledgeable, and more open to learning new things, and even changing
> >your mind about some things, when new and credible information is
> >presented to you. For a start, you have motivation and commitment.
> >That's good. But it's not enough for the newsgroups, and the population
> >of your chosen ministry.
> >
> >In the Fort, my antagonists have been demanding that I repost my
> >Mission Statement for them. They have it themselves, but they haven't
> >posted it. For this reason I have not posted it for them. Recently,
> >Caprice, who has been one of them who have been requiring me to post
> >it, offered to post it for me, thereby admitting that he has it. Since
> >he seems to want to "protect" you from me, perhaps if you ask him to
> >post it for you, he may actually do it.
> >
> >If you want, I will post my secure email address for you, but please be
> >aware that email is not a form of communication that has my highest
> >priority. :-)
> >
> >
> >Take care,
> >
> >
> >Y Not
> >
> >
> >PS.
> >What we post, lasts practically forever, in various searchable
> >databases. It is not a good thing to post something that we later wish
> >we hadn't. Retractions don't work well in Usenet. Our enemies can save
> >our posts, and use our incautious words against us. So, I advise you to
> >keep all this in mind when you compose your posts, and be careful to
> >avoid communicating something you will later regret.
> >
> >PPS.
> >It seems likely that my antagonists will post objections to my post. I
> >almost hope they do.
> >You may find some amusement in their clumsy lies. :-)
> >
> >
> > "Hate denies reason.
> > Love doesn't need one."
>
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It rather looks as if YN has met his match. Thank G-d.
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