On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 06:42:14 -0500, "::Y-Not::" <+10$-Y-Not@here.com>
wrote:
>In article <c1a5p1plapek20qfagfevm4hfbocftfli3@4ax.com>,
><MichaellikeGod@heaven> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 20:40:41 -0500, "::Y-Not::" <+10$-Y-Not@here.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <0001HW.BFB75C6E002F5C62F0305550@news.easynews.com>, Caprice
>> ><Caprice@badluck.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Mr. Michaellikegod:
>> >>
>> >> Y-Not is most assuredly not interested in debating theism with you. He is
>> >> trying to find out more about who you are.
>> >>
>> >> You have openly admitted to felonies in the groups...I won't recount them,
>> >> but I think you can figure out what I'm talking about by re-reading some
>> >> of
>> >> your 'confessionals'.
>> >>
>> >> If this information and information about who you are is provided to LEA
>> >> (the
>> >> kind of thing Y-Not by his own admission has done), you may well be
>> >> investigated.
>> >>
>> >> I don't think that's something you want.
>> >>
>> >> My adivice is to stop talking about things and in particularly stop trying
>> >> to
>> >> joust with Y-Not. It's a set-up.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Well, should he follow the advice of someone who doesn't follow his own
>> >advice? :-)
>> >
>> >Have you noticed that Michael requires proof? And he's very particular
>> >about it's quality, too. Too bad you can't give him any.
>> >
>> >Please show evidence that I have ever provided information about
>> >posters to LEA. I sure would like to see how you will try to prove what
>> >I haven't done. :-)
>> >
>> >What I'm doing with Michael, is mostly to entertain PM, because he has
>> >cut himself off from the Fort, and is missing some fun things.
>> >With Michael, directly, I'm mildly interested in finding out WHICH
>> >scripture, among many, he worships.
>> >Another minor purpose to my involvement with him, is to help him to be
>> >noticed and taken more seriously by others. I'm giving him the
>> >opportunity to express himself, to someone who is actually taking him
>> >seriously. Who else is doing that? Do you think anything useful will
>> >ever come of his posts, if he stops interacting with me?
>> >
>> >Note that he called me "black". Is the messenger worthy of his message?
>> >No. I wish to help him be so. Do you?
>> >Which is your true priority here? Michael's welfare, or your obsession
>> >to attack me wherever you can? Your reputation precedes you.
>> >
>> >You promised you would not use security for personal attacks, yet you
>> >keep doing it, as you are doing here. Isn't your word worth ANYTHING?
>> >Should I mention your past email security attack? :-)
>> >
>> >
>> >Y Not
>> >
>> >
>> >PS.
>> >You haven't said whether you agree or disagree with what is in my posts
>> >or his posts. I'm really interested in your opinions on the actual
>> >issues we are debating. Please share them. Who knows, he may even
>> >listen to you.
>> >By the way, I just gave him a useful web reference. Think he will use
>> >it?
>> Hi Y-Not
>> I require proof of the truth in matters. I don't regard any falsehood.
>> I stick with many different interpretations of the Bible. I
>> particularly use the NIV but have posted from an International
>> Children's Version of the Bible among King James and others. I have at
>> my disposal about 12 different interpretations of the Bible.
>
>Good. :-)
>
>> I do not worship the Bible. I worship God the Father, God the Son
>> (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. I do not worship material things
>> that have been derived out of God's creation.
>
>Here we differ. You worship what you assume to be God's true words, as
>written in whatever source you use as the Bible. It's a Book. To you it
>is infallible. This meets the qualifications of worship.
>
Even a screwdriver is infallible for its purpose. The Bible to me is a
tool for living, not to be worshipped but used for its purpose.
>> The fun things you say I am missing out on...hum, what fun things? Is
>> child pornography a fun thing? Is exploitation of children a fun
>> thing? Is causing a child to practice immorality a fun thing? Who is
>> being damaged, the perpetrator or the child? I am an advocate for the
>> child. Yea, there are some posts in here that are pure in nature like
>> what BB posted a week ago and then maybe the jpp series, but most of
>> the content that is posted is child pornography and I will do my best
>> to post in my messages indirectly that posting such content is wrong.
>> Then it is the intent of the downloader in using such content to
>> portray to him/her that such content is immorally wrong to possess and
>> for whatever purpose it is used, should be stopped.
>
>I'm sorry. Here you betray one of your failings. You are not reading my
>words accurately. I said nothing about you missing any fun. It is PM
>who is missing it. You do not even allow yourself to see and usefully
>understand what you think you will dislike in my posts. I see you do
>this misunderstanding, quite a lot in your replies. I know why this is
>so, but you would not like that to be expressed here.
>I take great pains to communicate very accurately, being very careful
>to use terms that closely match the perceived ability of my reader. I
>also do research. I don't write about that which I don't know. I have
>some significant health problems that cause my typing to be very slow
>and painful. Please respect this. I that request you apply as much
>effort as I expend in this, to fully understand what I write, or our
>dialogue will be wasted.
>
I admit my failings. I don't have to betray myself in a
misunderstanding. Yea, I need humbling from God at times.
>I will discuss the exploitation of children later. Since you seem not
>to know why I'm here in these groups, you may be surprised about a few
>things. :-)
>
>> I do not need to belong to your fort....I do not belong to any
>> organization. I am just a Christian. I am a bond-servant to Jesus
>> Christ whom requires that I go forth in the world and spread the good
>> news about Him and share the gospel and give my testimony of how He
>> has transformed me by my acceptance and belief in Him. I smile when I
>> say this about transformation because this transformation can be for
>> anyone whom God calls upon to be born again and converted by the
>> washing of the blood of Jesus Christ whom washed my soul by virtue of
>> the cross.
>
>The Fort is a newsgroup that was established by a preteen boy, many
>years ago (he just turned 18), for boys, and people who care for them,
>to gather for social activities. It has since evolved to become the hub
>of this Boy Lover (BL) community, of which this newsgroup is a part.
>You can not know that you need or not need something of which you are
>unaware. Therefore, it is unwise to make such claims.
>
>> What have you tried to help me with Y-Not? You have only proved to
>> yourself that you do not know Scripture because of the words you use
>> when trying to convey a Scripture message in your posts. If you would
>> begin to reread Scripture and use the proper word used in the context,
>> then you would prove to yourself you have no argument in which to base
>> your point upon.
>
>Unless you are much older than I am, I have studied more of the
>scripture than you can imagine. One of your problems seems to be that
>you cannot accept that someone may know more than you do. This shows in
>your replies. The other poster in this thread is like this, hence his
>resentment of me, that causes him to oppose me every chance he gets.
>
Then quote from scripture that which you understand. Use denied
instead of disowned like you wanted to reference on Peter the night of
Jesus' crucifixion. Then to reference three donkey things had me go
back in my mind about what you meant by three donkey things. You are
very vague in your points and are not being specific. If you want to
reference God's Word, then quote from it and maybe we can come to an
understanding about what is really being told through the Word. Two
minds are better than one in this prospective.
>> Actually...LOL...I find this post to be mildly intriguing and positive
>> for a change without attacking my integrity. Yea, I admit I have a lot
>> to learn yet for I am still a toddler in the eyes of God just learning
>> how to walk with Him and realizing that holiness is possible.
>
>We will see. So far, my comment above seems to be most appropriate at
>this time. Hopefully the situation will change. :-)
>
>> Holiness
>> is worthy of absolute devotion to God. I called you "black" because of
>> the way you have portrayed your knowledge of Scripture. You do not
>> have the light of Scripture in your heart and your heart is closed or
>> uncircumcized or I could use other words. I invite you to look up
>> Scripture and provide the truth to your posts and then maybe the light
>> will come on.
>
>You do not have any knowledge of what is in my heart, unless I tell
>you. I very carefully do not allow it to be expressed in any other way.
>Therefore, is is unwise of you to make such claims.
>
>My posts to you were made with scripture as reference, some of which
>was actually included, that you seem to have disregarded, and the
>available knowledge of centuries of intense study by thousands of very
>wise men. I made nothing up. Reading the Bible isn't enough to
>completely understand it. One must understand it's context and it's
>history. For centuries, there have been Bible scholars whose words of
>wisdom are greater than any you or I are ever likely to produce. It
>would be foolish of us indeed, to disregard all they can teach us. It
>is only through SHARED understanding, that we can travel beyond our own
>limited abilities, to achieve heights of understanding that would
>otherwise have been beyond our reach, for which we would be forever
>unaware.
Also include the passage where the Scripture is you are referencing,
i.e. Matthew 24:10, etc.
>
>> God Bless
>
>God will dispense His blessings as He Wills, and not at anyone's
>direction. This also applies to His curses, if He so chooses.
>It is arrogantly presumptuous, and sacrilegious, for any man to direct
>Him in this.
>But it is permissible, and very desirable, for a man to give his own
>blessing to his fellow man.
>By these words, do you now understand and accept that I am qualified to
>teach this?
>
God does not curse. Only man is cursed by his own actions, behavior,
intentions, etc. God can send His wrath but He cannot curse. But then,
the devil can curse because the devil is there to curse before God in
that God cannot be God amongst mankind whom are sinners.
>> t Michael t
>>
>
>I am here to give whatever PRACTICAL protection to children my presence
>here can provide. I was requested to do this many years ago. To some
>extent, I have succeeded. Have YOU?
Yes, through my confession, I have led some into giving up their
habits. Have you any confessions or are you perfect? I have had some
responses in regards to the number I give for calling for salvation. I
don't directly, but I know indirectly that it is working.
>But I pay a heavy price for this commitment. Do YOU?
I take joy in persecution.
>This has caused me to be persecuted by some BLs, and the Trolls who
>sometimes attack them. Caprice is one of my attackers, as you may have
>noticed.
>
>I never lie. I write only about what I know. I make a great effort to
>not be in error, in my well qualified professional judgement. I
>apologize when, in my own judgement, I am wrong.
>
>I have a mission. You can aid it, oppose it, or interfere with it as
>you are doing now. To aid it usefully, you must become more
>knowledgeable, and more open to learning new things, and even changing
>your mind about some things, when new and credible information is
>presented to you. For a start, you have motivation and commitment.
>That's good. But it's not enough for the newsgroups, and the population
>of your chosen ministry.
>
>In the Fort, my antagonists have been demanding that I repost my
>Mission Statement for them. They have it themselves, but they haven't
>posted it. For this reason I have not posted it for them. Recently,
>Caprice, who has been one of them who have been requiring me to post
>it, offered to post it for me, thereby admitting that he has it. Since
>he seems to want to "protect" you from me, perhaps if you ask him to
>post it for you, he may actually do it.
>
>If you want, I will post my secure email address for you, but please be
>aware that email is not a form of communication that has my highest
>priority. :-)
>
>
>Take care,
>
>
>Y Not
>
>
>PS.
>What we post, lasts practically forever, in various searchable
>databases. It is not a good thing to post something that we later wish
>we hadn't. Retractions don't work well in Usenet. Our enemies can save
>our posts, and use our incautious words against us. So, I advise you to
>keep all this in mind when you compose your posts, and be careful to
>avoid communicating something you will later regret.
>
>PPS.
>It seems likely that my antagonists will post objections to my post. I
>almost hope they do.
>You may find some amusement in their clumsy lies. :-)
>
>
> "Hate denies reason.
> Love doesn't need one."
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