| Re: Stop Giving people some false sense of Security!! |
Anonymous, Inc. |
| The Lookout (Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]) |
2009/05/23 22:21 |
+Grant <+Grant@grant.grant> wrote:
>In article <20090523143342.27B3868103@fleegle.mixmin.net>, The Lookout
><Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>
>> +Grant <+Grant@grant.grant> wrote:
>> >In article <4a160c6c$0$32194$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, The
>Guardians
>> >< Guardians@NewHope.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> -- I don't know if the last message was sent or not.. its weird
>again
>> >> another one of my messages is not showing up.. but if it did please
>> >> ignore this one...
>> >>
>> >> Did what?
>> >>
>> >> Asked for A Password?
>> >>
>> >> Come on did you not expect people to find the group.. You did not
>expect
>> >> lurkers..
>> >
>> >Everybody with a brain expects lurkers of every kind in every group.
>He
>> >has a brain. Ergo...
>>
>> To +Grant:
>> Hi +Grant, it's nice to see you around again. I hope that all is
>well.
>
>Fine here. Doing fun things in education (both sides academically) this
>summer. I may be offered a some good positions in the fall. Come a long
>way from having no life choices at all. LOL
>
>I hope you are as well as I am. Then you would be great.
>
>Sorry for not replying to your last posts in the FAQ/Security group. I
>meant to last week but they are off my server now.
Hi Grant,
Everything is great here, except for a sometimes hectic schedule. I
wish you much luck in future prospects.
It sounds as if you have a great summer to look forward to. Keep in
mind that the teaching can sometimes be playing both sides. It will
truly compel you to see things from a different point of view and can
sometimes force you to research things in greater detail than if you
were just finding out the facts for yourself.
Don't worry about not replying in the FAQ/Security group, I realize that
real life has a tendency of getting in the way of things. ;)
>> To The Guardians:
>> Doc did expect lurkers and he even counted on them to be here. If you
>> have been around these groups as long as you claim, you would know
>that
>> he has been doing everything in his power to help the BL's maintain
>access
>> to this type of material. He has even stated many times why he has
>been
>> helping to keep it available to all.
>>
>> He has contact with many of the posters and is our best go-between to
>> attempt it or was until *YOU* decided to attack him claiming that he
>was
>> trying to keep everyone from obtaining it. If he were attempting to
>do
>> that,
>> why would he keep posting breadcrumbs to follow? If *YOU* are too
>lazy to
>> follow the rules and do your own detective work and then attack the
>very
>> person who is trying to help you, why would those posters in the
>passworded
>> or secret groups expect you to treat them any better?
>>
>> >> You act like these people are dumb or something. I have not heard
>anyone
>> >> defend you.
>> >
>> >Okay. Me. I will defend him. You did ask.
>>
>> I will defend Doc also. Remember, he did ask.
>>
>> >> Your giving them a false since of hope.. they should do what i said
>and
>> >> they would never have a problem again.
>> >
>> >False. To what you say he said.
>>
>> The Guardians has a false sense of security himself. As has already
>been
>> pointed out, Astraweb does indeed use an encrypted X-Trace: header
>that
>> will point back to his account.
>>
>> >> thats it.. who are you trying to protect them from.. the police..
>come
>> >> on.
>> >
>> >Yes. Don't you think we should try to help people protect themselves?
>> >Oh thats right you want them to be arrested don't you?
>>
>> +Grant is right, we should be doing everything in our power to help
>> protect ourselves. It is not just the police that we need to mask
>> ourselves
>> from. You do not want to draw any unwanted attention to yourself and
>get
>> reported to your news service provider. Most will investigate and
>will
>> report it to the authorities. If you not already under LEA
>investigation,
>> you would be afterward.
>>
>> >> Thats not going to work.. they have good software to crack
>passwords.. I
>> >> mean the files do say things like 11yr. etc.. they are smarter then
>> >> that.. they have profiled us.. come on.
>> >
>> >Thats true but we don't know how true it is. They don't tell us that
>> >little thing.
>>
>> That is why it has been posted to *NOT* use those types of file names.
>We
>> do not need to attract attention. The 3 group system was the best
>option
>> that has been floated around, until The Guardians decided to draw
>attention
>> to it. The archives could not be repaired, joined, and extracted
>without
>> knowing the groups used because the Pars alone would not construction
>an
>> entire archive, the archive could not be successfully joined without
>the
>> part 1 file, and if conventional encryption was used...there would be
>no
>> key exchanges involved because conventional encryption using PGP is
>not
>> a public key crytosystem, it is a symmetric cipher where only the
>password
>> is needed to encrypt/decrypt.
>>
>> >> If they did what i said they will be fine..
>> >
>> >No. There is no "fine" with internet security. Nothing is perfect.
>> >Saying anybody will be "fine" with security here is a good way to
>make
>> >smart people think you are full of lying bullshit.
>>
>> The Guardians is the one misleading people into a false sense of
>security,
>> not Doc.
>>
>> >> Personally I think your mad because they might leave, and you wont
>get
>> >> your fix..
>> >
>> >If you are talking about Doc you should know he doesn't download porn
>> >just legal things. I'll say why down below.
>> >
>> >> You must think these people are totally dumb. even when I wrote
>about my
>> >> job and what I see you wrote, you may confuse them.. how old are
>they??
>> >
>> >The way these posts look, you are the one who looks "dumb" to me. And
>> >not all that pleasant either. Strangely ignorant too.
>> >
>> >> Remember at one time you were the lurker. I don't know your age,
>but I
>> >> have been around prob a lot longer then you, under many screen
>names..
>> >> Back in the day when this was not such a big deal.. And I never had
>> >> anyone knocking at my door for internet or the other. So I would
>believe
>> >> I know what I am doing. Get a Grip.. Your giving false security..
>If I
>> >> can find you.. They will..
>> >
>> >Doc has been around the BL groups almost since their inception but
>> >length of time around here is no guarantee of knowledge and
>> >intelligence which you are helping to prove about yourself with your
>> >posts. His advantage is he shares security info in private and public
>> >with most of the smart and knowledgeable posters for years. I have
>been
>> >a small part of that. The Lookout and KidHacker and Y Not and Cosmos
>> >and others were major contributors. The security info Doc posted came
>> >from recent meetings of some of these people and from transcripts of
>> >the posts and emails of *real* experts. Its not just Docs "opinion"
>you
>> >attack here but the expert opinions and evaluations of most of the
>most
>> >knowledgeable expert posters of the past and present.
>>
>> There have been many discussions about security in these groups.
>> KidHacker,
>> Y-Not, Cosmos, Doc, Morpheus, +Grant, and many others have voiced
>concerns
>> over
>> crossposting many times. If The Guardian had actually been around for
>> some time, he would know why crossposting is considered to be bad. If
>The
>> Guardians were truly worried about everyone's security, he would not
>> crosspost
>> and would not have openly posted the new group layout that was being
>> proposed.
>>
>> >Anybody can find Doc. Hes not secret. His private info was exposed 3
>> >years ago. The exposer posted his real name and address and where he
>> >works. He had *good* security and it happened so he really knows how
>> >vulnerable people who post here can be more than you can ever know.
>He
>> >cares very much about us. We all know it. Except you.
>> >
>> >> All they need is to be anonymous.. thats it..
>> >
>> >This is very difficult to do completely (if you think not you are
>> >fooling yourself) and almost impossible to do with autoposting which
>> >the major posters need to do. I think you need to do some more
>learning
>> >in this area before spouting off again. Case in point. If Astraweb
>gets
>> >a complaint about your post and thinks its illegal they will cancel
>> >your account and *then* try to contact you about it. If they haven't
>> >canceled your account its because nobody complained and *not* because
>> >of some fantasy anonymity you think you have.
>>
>> As +Grant has stated, the major posters need to use autoposting
>programs
>> and that limits what they can do with regard to anonymity. It is VERY
>> time consuming doing binary posts through remailers and nymservers.
>You
>> have to split the binary, UUencode *each* part, compose a message with
>> your remailers/nymservers posting directives, open *each* binary part
>in
>> a text editor and paste it into the remailer/nym message, encrypt it
>to
>> the remailer/nymserver, and then send each part. I'm not aware of any
>> software that automates this process. It can take hours to create a
>> 150 part posting session. You also can not guarantee that all parts
>will
>> successfully make it through the remailer network, which will require
>> reposts to complete. A repost would require going back to square one
>> for the part being reposted because the nymserver or remailer keeps a
>> hash of the message in order to avoid duplicates.
>>
>> If The Guardians get reported to Astraweb, he'll be lucky if all they
>> do is cancel his account. That X-Trace header points right back to
>his
>> account.
>>
>> >Posting isn't just about technical things. Sometimes the nontechnical
>> >personal things are more important to picture and movie posters. This
>> >is where you have problems. Pay attention now!
>> >
>> >POSTERS ONLY POST WHEN THEY FEEL GOOD ABOUT POSTING!
>> >They post when this good feeling is more important to them than their
>> >possible security problems (they are *well* aware of them) they have
>> >doing it. Posters feel good about posting in groups where there are
>NO
>> >arguments of *any* kind. When people like *you* start polluting the
>> >groups they stop posting. They pay no attention to trolls. Its the
>few
>> >ignorant sourpuss BLs like you who spoil it for everybody and make
>the
>> >posters go away. Looks to me this could be your goal.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Grant
>>
>> Great post, Grant!!!
>>
>> Take care,
>> The Lookout
>>
>
>I'm not "+"Grant just Grant. The plus was just to get around Docs kill
>filter when he was accusing me of being some other poster. This is what
>makes Guardians posts so funny. Hes using Docs old fighting tactic of
>accusing supporters of being the same person as they defend. RTFLOL
>funny TG is accusing Doc of something he would be the last poster to
>do.
>Doc does post with different nics sometimes maybe by accident or with
>an autoposter but he still signs them as Doc when he posts text. He
>would *never* hide who he is in a post. I don't either.
>TG replied to a lot of people but not to me. I wonder why? LOL
The Guardians hasn't replied to you because there is nothing in your post
that he can refute. ;)
He picks on Doc because he's ticked off at him over the incident that
injured his pride. It's too bad that he was so determined to get even
with Doc that he didn't care if he endangered anyone while doing so.
>I have no new information to give you about your previous inquiry. He
>doesn't reply to contacts with BLs. This is from my experience and what
>other people tell me when they ask about him. They say his IM is not
>active and no replies to emails. I think speculation would be not the
>best idea so I don't. I will remember him with respect and awe and
>maybe a little affection.
I hate to hear that. We were in the middle of a discussion and then
he quit replying. I heard that he had a relapse shortly after that and
never heard anything else. The last message that I received from him
was in late Sept. We corresponded quite frequently about things in the
groups and I will always fondly remember and miss him.
>
>Take care...
>
>--
>Grant
Take care,
The Lookout
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