| Re: Stop Giving people some false sense of Security!! |
Anonymous, Inc. |
| The Lookout (Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]) |
2009/05/23 08:33 |
+Grant <+Grant@grant.grant> wrote:
>In article <4a160c6c$0$32194$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, The Guardians
>< Guardians@NewHope.com> wrote:
>
>> -- I don't know if the last message was sent or not.. its weird again
>> another one of my messages is not showing up.. but if it did please
>> ignore this one...
>>
>> Did what?
>>
>> Asked for A Password?
>>
>> Come on did you not expect people to find the group.. You did not expect
>> lurkers..
>
>Everybody with a brain expects lurkers of every kind in every group. He
>has a brain. Ergo...
To +Grant:
Hi +Grant, it's nice to see you around again. I hope that all is well.
To The Guardians:
Doc did expect lurkers and he even counted on them to be here. If you
have been around these groups as long as you claim, you would know that
he has been doing everything in his power to help the BL's maintain access
to this type of material. He has even stated many times why he has been
helping to keep it available to all.
He has contact with many of the posters and is our best go-between to
attempt it or was until *YOU* decided to attack him claiming that he was
trying to keep everyone from obtaining it. If he were attempting to do
that,
why would he keep posting breadcrumbs to follow? If *YOU* are too lazy to
follow the rules and do your own detective work and then attack the very
person who is trying to help you, why would those posters in the passworded
or secret groups expect you to treat them any better?
>> You act like these people are dumb or something. I have not heard anyone
>> defend you.
>
>Okay. Me. I will defend him. You did ask.
I will defend Doc also. Remember, he did ask.
>> Your giving them a false since of hope.. they should do what i said and
>> they would never have a problem again.
>
>False. To what you say he said.
The Guardians has a false sense of security himself. As has already been
pointed out, Astraweb does indeed use an encrypted X-Trace: header that
will point back to his account.
>> thats it.. who are you trying to protect them from.. the police.. come
>> on.
>
>Yes. Don't you think we should try to help people protect themselves?
>Oh thats right you want them to be arrested don't you?
+Grant is right, we should be doing everything in our power to help
protect ourselves. It is not just the police that we need to mask
ourselves
from. You do not want to draw any unwanted attention to yourself and get
reported to your news service provider. Most will investigate and will
report it to the authorities. If you not already under LEA investigation,
you would be afterward.
>> Thats not going to work.. they have good software to crack passwords.. I
>> mean the files do say things like 11yr. etc.. they are smarter then
>> that.. they have profiled us.. come on.
>
>Thats true but we don't know how true it is. They don't tell us that
>little thing.
That is why it has been posted to *NOT* use those types of file names. We
do not need to attract attention. The 3 group system was the best option
that has been floated around, until The Guardians decided to draw attention
to it. The archives could not be repaired, joined, and extracted without
knowing the groups used because the Pars alone would not construction an
entire archive, the archive could not be successfully joined without the
part 1 file, and if conventional encryption was used...there would be no
key exchanges involved because conventional encryption using PGP is not
a public key crytosystem, it is a symmetric cipher where only the password
is needed to encrypt/decrypt.
>> If they did what i said they will be fine..
>
>No. There is no "fine" with internet security. Nothing is perfect.
>Saying anybody will be "fine" with security here is a good way to make
>smart people think you are full of lying bullshit.
The Guardians is the one misleading people into a false sense of security,
not Doc.
>> Personally I think your mad because they might leave, and you wont get
>> your fix..
>
>If you are talking about Doc you should know he doesn't download porn
>just legal things. I'll say why down below.
>
>> You must think these people are totally dumb. even when I wrote about my
>> job and what I see you wrote, you may confuse them.. how old are they??
>
>The way these posts look, you are the one who looks "dumb" to me. And
>not all that pleasant either. Strangely ignorant too.
>
>> Remember at one time you were the lurker. I don't know your age, but I
>> have been around prob a lot longer then you, under many screen names..
>> Back in the day when this was not such a big deal.. And I never had
>> anyone knocking at my door for internet or the other. So I would believe
>> I know what I am doing. Get a Grip.. Your giving false security.. If I
>> can find you.. They will..
>
>Doc has been around the BL groups almost since their inception but
>length of time around here is no guarantee of knowledge and
>intelligence which you are helping to prove about yourself with your
>posts. His advantage is he shares security info in private and public
>with most of the smart and knowledgeable posters for years. I have been
>a small part of that. The Lookout and KidHacker and Y Not and Cosmos
>and others were major contributors. The security info Doc posted came
>from recent meetings of some of these people and from transcripts of
>the posts and emails of *real* experts. Its not just Docs "opinion" you
>attack here but the expert opinions and evaluations of most of the most
>knowledgeable expert posters of the past and present.
There have been many discussions about security in these groups.
KidHacker,
Y-Not, Cosmos, Doc, Morpheus, +Grant, and many others have voiced concerns
over
crossposting many times. If The Guardian had actually been around for
some time, he would know why crossposting is considered to be bad. If The
Guardians were truly worried about everyone's security, he would not
crosspost
and would not have openly posted the new group layout that was being
proposed.
>Anybody can find Doc. Hes not secret. His private info was exposed 3
>years ago. The exposer posted his real name and address and where he
>works. He had *good* security and it happened so he really knows how
>vulnerable people who post here can be more than you can ever know. He
>cares very much about us. We all know it. Except you.
>
>> All they need is to be anonymous.. thats it..
>
>This is very difficult to do completely (if you think not you are
>fooling yourself) and almost impossible to do with autoposting which
>the major posters need to do. I think you need to do some more learning
>in this area before spouting off again. Case in point. If Astraweb gets
>a complaint about your post and thinks its illegal they will cancel
>your account and *then* try to contact you about it. If they haven't
>canceled your account its because nobody complained and *not* because
>of some fantasy anonymity you think you have.
As +Grant has stated, the major posters need to use autoposting programs
and that limits what they can do with regard to anonymity. It is VERY
time consuming doing binary posts through remailers and nymservers. You
have to split the binary, UUencode *each* part, compose a message with
your remailers/nymservers posting directives, open *each* binary part in
a text editor and paste it into the remailer/nym message, encrypt it to
the remailer/nymserver, and then send each part. I'm not aware of any
software that automates this process. It can take hours to create a
150 part posting session. You also can not guarantee that all parts will
successfully make it through the remailer network, which will require
reposts to complete. A repost would require going back to square one
for the part being reposted because the nymserver or remailer keeps a
hash of the message in order to avoid duplicates.
If The Guardians get reported to Astraweb, he'll be lucky if all they
do is cancel his account. That X-Trace header points right back to his
account.
>Posting isn't just about technical things. Sometimes the nontechnical
>personal things are more important to picture and movie posters. This
>is where you have problems. Pay attention now!
>
>POSTERS ONLY POST WHEN THEY FEEL GOOD ABOUT POSTING!
>They post when this good feeling is more important to them than their
>possible security problems (they are *well* aware of them) they have
>doing it. Posters feel good about posting in groups where there are NO
>arguments of *any* kind. When people like *you* start polluting the
>groups they stop posting. They pay no attention to trolls. Its the few
>ignorant sourpuss BLs like you who spoil it for everybody and make the
>posters go away. Looks to me this could be your goal.
>
>--
>Grant
Great post, Grant!!!
Take care,
The Lookout
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