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On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:49:40 -0500, in Message-ID:
<3j15i21190blrvkoeb04gk3hljbrru4bn4@4ax.com>, Frank McCoy
<mccoyf@millcomm.com> wrote:
> In alt.fan.frank.mccoy "bobandcarole" <bobandcarole111@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
> Idiot. I *said*, "With parental permission"; and there wouldn't be anything
> obscene in the picture, except perhaps in *your* sick little mind.
>
> Only anti-sex perverts like you would find mere nudity to be obscene.
The only problem with this scenario, Frank, is precisely that the
authorities tend to view even mere nudity as obscene. Their predilection
all-too-frequently is to prosecute any such cases.
Remember the Salon article that was posted within the last few months?
Two families got literally put through hell because of a few nude photos
of their offspring on a camping trip.
Even well-regarded artists and photographers such as Jock Sturges and
Sally Mann have been persecuted; in Sturges' case, his studio was raided,
his equipment, prints and negatives seized. He was hauled before a
Grand Jury, which refused to indict him, even though the authorities
tried to paint him as a child pornographer; the FBI even sent agents over
to France and harassed those who modeled for him.
The U.S. government spent in excess of one million dollars going after
Sturges, who spent in excess of $100,000 U.S. to defend himself.
Even today, he says that the memory of what he went through has cast a
shadow over his work--he always has the thought in the back of his mind.
Metro: Having been through all that you've been
through, I can't imagine how you can take photographs
now without having legal concerns somewhere in your
mind.
Sturges: There are photographs that I don't take now
that I previously would have taken without any thought
at all as to any misinterpretations. The truth is that
people who are naturists, who are used to being without
clothes, are unself-conscious about how they sit
around, how they throw themselves down on the ground,
how they sit in a chair, how they stand. They don't
think about it; it's not an issue. There's nothing
obscene about them. Before, I'd photograph anything. I
didn't think there was anything more or less obscene
about any part of the body. Now, I recognize that
there are certain postures and angles that make
people see red, which are evidence of original sin or
something, and I avoid that. I don't shoot that any
more. But it's difficult. At one point, [my wife] Maia
found me crossing legs, or avoiding angles, or giving
instructions which inadvertently were instructing
young people that some aspect of what they were doing
was inherently profane, some aspect of who they were
inherently were profane. I've had to relearn how I work
with people so that if and when I do avoid different
things I don't send any messages in doing so. I'm the
last person who has any desire to instruct anybody in
shame. That's no errand for me.
http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/03.19.98/cover/sturges1-9811.html
This really is an excellent interview--I highly recommend that you read
the entire thing.
Sally Mann photographed her own children; if memory serves, the authorities
threatened to take them away from her for that. She no longer does nude
photography--all she photographs these days are landscapes.
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Baal
Retired Lecturer, Encryption and Data Security, Pedo U, Usenet Campus
"Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?" -- "Who will watch the Watchmen?"
-- Juvenal, Satires, VI, 347. circa 128 AD
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