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From: Frank McCoy <mccoyf@millcomm.com>
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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 20:38:41 -0500
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Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 10:18:15 -0500, Frank McCoy <mccoyf@millcomm.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"F. Brown" <fredbrown@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Frank McCoy" <mccoyf@millcomm.com> wrote in message
>>>news:96fqv850qadfaemhusjstdak0h5kedpb1t@4ax.com...
>>>> Justin Thyme <abuse@localhost.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:18:55 -0400, "F. Brown" <fredbrown@nowhere.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I follow the Electronic Frontier Foundation and their battles against
>>>>>>censorship
>>>>>>and restrictions on free speech. Many of the appellate rulings they win
>>>>>>contain the
>>>>>>phrase, "would have a chilling effect on free speech." Makes me think
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>appellate courts understand SCOTUS's position on free speech.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Seems to me that the Bush court has the view that free speach only
>>>>>applies to corporations.
>>>>
>>>> ... And government politicians ... Those belonging to the particular
>>>> party in-power at the moment, of course.
>>>
>>>Which is why the Citizens United decision infuriates them, although they
>>>incorrectly blame Citizens for lifting the monetary restrictions imposed
>>>by McCain-Feingold. Speech Now Org sued the FEC and won over those
>>>restrictions. While Citizens was decided by SCOTUS, Speech Now
>>>ended at the DC appellate court, the Justice Dept deciding not to appeal.
>>>
>>Um ... I might point out that the ruling allowing unlimited monetary
>>spending by corporations FAVORS by huge amounts the party and people
>>in-power at the moment, and NOT those trying to kick the current SOB's
>>out!
>>
>>It's always FAR easier for incumbents to raise money and support,
>>especially by and from corporations than those trying to take their
>>places.
>>
>>Thus your argument fails.
>>It was the BUSH administration that had the most to gain (at that
>>time) by Citizens United; that most-likely being why the Justice Dept.
>>THEN didn't appeal. Those in-power at the time didn't WANT an appeal.
>>
>>NOW, of course, with Democrats more in-power, the situation and ruling
>>backfired on the Republicans.
>>
>>That tends to happen all the time with rules intended to help keep the
>>current SOB's in and the opposing party out. When the out-party
>>complains, the in-party just sneers ... until THEY are out, and said
>>rules are used against them. THEN they complain, and point-out that
>>the new in-party USED to complain, so why do they now support and USE
>>those same rules?
>>
>>Turn-About it seems, is NOT considered "fair play" in politics.
>>
>>The soapbox is empty.
>>NEXT!
>
>On that note, I've always, well since I've noticed, felt it ironic
>that the first president presidential term limits might have effected,
>the next president after FDR likely to have won a third term, was
>Eisenhower, a Republican.
Of course! ;-}
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