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In article <pan.2005.05.01.19.07.11.739000@nntp-server.meatplow.local>, Meat Plow <meat@meatplow.local> wrote:
> On Sun, 01 May 2005 18:47:50 +0000, Soque (Enjoque) Pupette wrote:
>
> > jet wrote:
> >> In article <d51ndh$nsv$1@herekittykitty.databasix.com>, "Soque (Enjoque)
> Pupette" <soque@databasix.com> wrote:
> >>> jet wrote:
> >>> > In article <d51i98$lk4$7@herekittykitty.databasix.com>, God wrote:
> >>> >> On Sun, 01 May 2005 03:20:11 GMT, jet@untool.net (jet) wrote:
> >>>
> >>> [...]
> >>>
> >>> >> >Why don't they go post in the alt.binaries.youth-and-beauty.* and
> >>> >> >alt.binaries.aoi with the rest of the child porn traders? They've been
> >>> >> >the accepted kiddie porn groups for as long as I can remember. That's
> >>> >> >what they're -for-. Even alt.fan.air would do, if the prefer stealth
> >>> >> >binaries.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Unacceptable. afa is not a binaries group, stealth or otherwise.
> >>> >
> >>> > You are incorrect. Alt.fan air, along with alt.fan.prettyboy,
> >>> > alt.oyp.sworp and alt.svens have been stealth child porn groups
> >>> > since at least 1998 and most of the alt.fan.*, alt.als.* and
> >>> > alt.mag.* hierarchies are considered general stealth binaries
> >>> > hierarchies.
> >>>
> >>> Are you saying that binaries in those groups and hierarchies
> >>> are not misplaced? If so, I worry about the scaleability issues
> >>> that arise from a policy that condones stealth binary groups.
> >>>
> >> I don't think I said there was a "policy that condones stealth binary
> >> groups". The word "stealth" might indicate the opposite.
> >
> > And the word "misplaced" might indicate that the binaries belong
> > in binary groups.
> >
> >> It's just that
> >> it's been common knowledge that those particular groups are stealth binary
> >> kiddie porn groups for many years and collectors subscribe to servers
> >> that don't filter the binaries.
> >
> > I'm not trying to make this point from the view of the collectors.
> > I'm looking at it from an _operational_ standpoint. Specifically,
> > I'm considering the impact of misplaced binaries (regardless of
> > content) on non-binary news sites.
> >
> >>
> >>> How many stealth binary groups does a text-only newsadmin have
> >>> to consider in their configs to effectively manage their
> >>> bandwidth and spool space?
> >>
> >> I would imagine a text only server 'clean-feeds' out all binaries, no
> >> matter where they occur.
> >
> > Filtering binaries after receiving them is sub-optimal from a
> > bandwidth management perspective. It's far more efficient for the
> > peers not to feed the text-only news sites binaries in the first
> > place. A news site that offers non-binary feeds needs to specify
> > which sub-hierarchies to exclude from the feed. Using the "!" symbol
> > to indicate negation, the config line might contain somehting like:
> >
> > alt.*,!alt.binaries.*
> >
> > but, if it's necessary to add !alt.mag.*,!alt.fan.*,!alt.als.* plus
> > a splattering of single groups and add new (misplaced binary) groups
> > as they appear then there is extra administrative overhead to
> > endure as text sites ask their peers to adjust their config.
> >
> > Plus, with this config, the other (text) users in those sub-hierarchies
> > that aren't in a misplaced binary group suffer inhibited propagation
> > to text sites.
> >
> > I submit that misplaced binaries have an adverse impact on propagation
> > (a core operational consideration) for _other_ (text) users.
> >
> >> TMK, nobody is issuing bin-cancels outside of
> >> the Big 8, anymore.
> >>
> >> I'm sure someone in policy could give you a better answer, or you could
> >> look up the previous discussions. <shrug>
> >
> > I've seen the discussions. I'm countering (in a content neutral
> > manner) your argument that these misplaced binaries should
> > be allowed because they've been doing it for a long time.
>
> Jet has been known in the past to support abuse of Usenet at the core
> level.
I have? When was that, Cretin?
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