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In article <d5388m$6m1$1@flonk.databasix.com>, "Soque (Enjoque) Pupette" <soque@databasix.com> wrote:
> jet wrote:
> > In article <d51ndh$nsv$1@herekittykitty.databasix.com>, "Soque (Enjoque)
> Pupette" <soque@databasix.com> wrote:
> >> jet wrote:
> >> > In article <d51i98$lk4$7@herekittykitty.databasix.com>, God wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 01 May 2005 03:20:11 GMT, jet@untool.net (jet) wrote:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> >> >Why don't they go post in the alt.binaries.youth-and-beauty.* and
> >> >> >alt.binaries.aoi with the rest of the child porn traders? They've been
> >> >> >the accepted kiddie porn groups for as long as I can remember. That's
> >> >> >what they're -for-. Even alt.fan.air would do, if the prefer stealth
> >> >> >binaries.
> >> >>
> >> >> Unacceptable. afa is not a binaries group, stealth or otherwise.
> >> >
> >> > You are incorrect. Alt.fan air, along with alt.fan.prettyboy,
> >> > alt.oyp.sworp and alt.svens have been stealth child porn groups
> >> > since at least 1998 and most of the alt.fan.*, alt.als.* and
> >> > alt.mag.* hierarchies are considered general stealth binaries
> >> > hierarchies.
> >>
> >> Are you saying that binaries in those groups and hierarchies
> >> are not misplaced? If so, I worry about the scaleability issues
> >> that arise from a policy that condones stealth binary groups.
> >>
> > I don't think I said there was a "policy that condones stealth binary
> > groups". The word "stealth" might indicate the opposite.
>
> And the word "misplaced" might indicate that the binaries belong
> in binary groups.
>
> > It's just that
> > it's been common knowledge that those particular groups are stealth binary
> > kiddie porn groups for many years and collectors subscribe to servers
> > that don't filter the binaries.
>
> I'm not trying to make this point from the view of the collectors.
> I'm looking at it from an _operational_ standpoint. Specifically,
> I'm considering the impact of misplaced binaries (regardless of
> content) on non-binary news sites.
>
> >
> >> How many stealth binary groups does a text-only newsadmin have
> >> to consider in their configs to effectively manage their
> >> bandwidth and spool space?
> >
> > I would imagine a text only server 'clean-feeds' out all binaries, no
> > matter where they occur.
>
> Filtering binaries after receiving them is sub-optimal from a
> bandwidth management perspective. It's far more efficient for the
> peers not to feed the text-only news sites binaries in the first
> place. A news site that offers non-binary feeds needs to specify
> which sub-hierarchies to exclude from the feed. Using the "!" symbol
> to indicate negation, the config line might contain somehting like:
>
> alt.*,!alt.binaries.*
>
> but, if it's necessary to add !alt.mag.*,!alt.fan.*,!alt.als.* plus
> a splattering of single groups and add new (misplaced binary) groups
> as they appear then there is extra administrative overhead to
> endure as text sites ask their peers to adjust their config.
>
> Plus, with this config, the other (text) users in those sub-hierarchies
> that aren't in a misplaced binary group suffer inhibited propagation
> to text sites.
>
> I submit that misplaced binaries have an adverse impact on propagation
> (a core operational consideration) for _other_ (text) users.
>
Okay but, that doesn't change the fact that those hierarchies and groups
have always been used for binaries and news admins are aware of that fact.
Admins don't like it but, there's a consensus among users that they want
to post binaries there and are doing so. The admins handle it as they see
fit. As I said, I don't think anyone is bothering with bincancels outside
of Big 8.
> > TMK, nobody is issuing bin-cancels outside of
> > the Big 8, anymore.
> >
> > I'm sure someone in policy could give you a better answer, or you could
> > look up the previous discussions. <shrug>
>
> I've seen the discussions. I'm countering (in a content neutral
> manner) your argument that these misplaced binaries should
> be allowed because they've been doing it for a long time.
>
I didn't say they should be allowed. I don't think kiddie porn should be
allowed on usenet, period. I was just saying that, rather than spread
to other groups, why can't they just stay in the groups where people know
there's kiddie porn and can more easily ignore it. It's rather easier for
paren't, in particular, to block -known- groups, than block every group
they haven't examined.
I was making a "why don't they stick to their own kind, rather than
inconveniencing normal folk" comment, not a "this should be usenet
policy" comment and countering someones claim that they aren't stealth
binary groups, which is the definition of non-binary groups that are
being used for binaries, despite usenet standards to the contrary.
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