::Y-Not:: wrote:
: In article <d4p8mq$n3s$1@dimpledchad.databasix.com>, Steve Leyland
: <steveREMOVEDOTINVALIDTOREPLY@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
:
:::: Y-Not:: wrote:
::: In article <d4mv7s$h0f$1@wilhelp.databasix.com>, Steve Leyland
::: <steveREMOVEDOTINVALIDTOREPLY@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
:::
:::::: Y-Not:: wrote:
::::: In article <1114556951.8a0947e1ce324b800436b9fd243422da@teranews>,
::::: FairPlayforAll <talkit@over.org> wrote:
:::::
:::::: In article <vu6t61h1eqso0gll5r52t1u66o5hs8p44o@4ax.com>,
:::::: jade@net- kooks.org wrote...
::::::
:::::: Hey guys, the group wasn't even being used until Rolex came
:::::: along. You really ought to speak to Y-Not about this. Didn't he
:::::: make a deal and a truce with you guys the last time there was
:::::: some trouble? I think if you maybe talked things over with Y-Not
:::::: we could come to some arrangement and then just go our separate
:::::: peaceful ways. He knows quite a few important people who could
:::::: definitely back him up if push came to shove. I'm sure none of
:::::: you good folks wants to get in trouble with your ISP, right?
::::::
:::::: --
:::::: FairPlayForAll
:::::
::::: Top posting can be SO Kornfusing.
::::
:::: wow, for once I actually agree with a pedo.
:::
::: Thank you for your intelligent response. It deserves a useful reply.
::
:: Then I shall respond in a similar manner.
:::
::: Not all people who post in "pedo" groups are "pedos". Well YOU are
::: posting here, right? Please withhold your personal judgment, until
::: you have more information.
::
:: I am posting text, not binaries. You are posting binaries of 200k or
:: so, which I assume to be images of naked children. Big difference,
:: d00d.
:
: Well, that WOULD be a big difference, if your assumptions were true.
: You really shouldn't be doing that. You are obviously intelligent. You
: should know that making assumptions about something you can easily
: prove or disprove, is a little ah, foolish.
Not quite as foolish as downloading binaries in a known pedo froup, I'd say.
Slurping my intelligence twice already will accomplish very little mercy for
you, apart from intelligible replies.
:
: I didn't post anything that would be considered pornography in the US.
: What I posted here, are pictures of boys, mostly on public beaches,
: who are wearing swimming trunks.
I will have to take your word on that, please do excuse me if I choose not
to look.
:
::::: What I did before, with others, isn't in effect now. It never was,
::::: for THIS group. BLs were supposed to not post here, according to
::::: the agreement. I said this when Rolex started to post here.
::::
:::: BL = pedophile, stop attempting to disguise your sickness.
:::
::: I'm a psychologist. Please leave the diagnosis to the professionals.
::
:: Are you implying that "Boy Loving" is not a sickness?
:
: Your definitions are not as precise as they need to be, to give you a
: useful answer for that.
: In psychology and psychiatry, sexual feelings and urges, of ANY kind,
: do not, in themselves, constitute an illness.
: BUT, being unable to control those urges, enough to moderate one's
: behavior, THAT can viewed as an illness, depending on it's underlying
: cause.
Nonsense. an attraction to children as sexual objects is highly abnormal,
lets' face it? Perverts actually acting upon those urges is much worse, and
usually results in dead kids, or abused ones who live in constant fear of
their abuser.
:
: Among psychologists, there is some controversy over the exact
: definition of "pedophile", and all of that, is different from what the
: general public assumes it to mean.
: The official definition, is someone having a sexual attraction to a
: prepubescent child. Most of the public would extend that to include up
: to the age of consent. That's a problem for professionals, because the
: age of consent is an arbitrary legal designation, that varies from
: place to place, and health standards need to be independent of local
: politics.
So at which particular age are you saying a child should be exposed to
adults who wish to indulge themselves in sexual behaviour with young 'uns?
In my particular country the official age of consent is 16, but as a mature
bloke I'd feel bad legally shagging a 16 year old.
:
: It's not fair, or wise, to label something you dislike, a sickness,
: just because you can. The Soviets did that with political dissidents,
: and actually had them "treated" for that. Who should determine what a
: disease is? Heath professionals? Or the often hateful general public?
: If it had been the public, all "cursed" lepers would have remained in
: isolation until they all rotted away. Now we have a cure for that
: disease.
Are you serious about the "hateful general public"?
WTF do you expect as a reaction from parents of children who are in danger?
:
::::: Some of the names I recognize, but their personalities have
::::: changed a little. There is still some amusement in them, though.
::::
:::: so did george really kill himself last time after what I said?
:::: I bet all the local parents of young boys in his area felt much
:::: safer if he did.
:::
::: No, he returned to posting, with a different name. He's threatened
::: to kill himself four times that I know of. He hasn't tried to
::: actually do it. That is, if we are talking about the same George.
::
:: Possibly the same guy, he *knew* what he was doing was wrong and
:: hated himself so much he threatened suicide.
:
: If so, he seems to have recovered well, and even developed a sense of
: humor. He stopped posting a month or two ago. It could be that his
: employment got a little more time consuming. Yes, I know what his job
: is.
I do sincerely hope he doesn't work in a job which allows him contact with
children...?
:
::::: So they told the authorities about this group? Did they think LEA
::::: are STUPID? Of course LEA already knew about this newsgroup, and
::::: about all the others, and they DON'T appreciate frightened ninnies
::::: bothering them about it. Do you think our new visitors have ever
::::: wondered why this kind of thing has been allowed to continue all
::::: these years? LEA *WANTS* EVIDENCE to be posted!
::::
:::: I and many others reported your little boy admiration pedo society
:::: 4 years ago to the law, so yes, they are certainly watching.
:::
::: I've been monitoring these newsgroups for a little longer than
::: that. I was asked to do it by some people who had received some
::: reports of children posting porn.
::
:: Do you mean adults posting child porn, or what you typed?
:
: I do make mistakes, but not as often as most people, because I
: actually try not to.
: In this case, I meant what I typed.
: There was a newsgroup that some WebTV kids found, that has some gay
: porn in it. They took it over as their "Fort", and eventually started
: to post some of their own. Some actually posted pictures of
: themselves. The founder of the Fort was 12, at the time. He's now
: just turning 18.
So you merely *protected* these 12 year old boys, right?
:
::: You weren't the first to do the reporting.
::: Sorry to take away your credit. :-)
::
:: Have you reported yourself for the binaries you are posting?
:: I saved you the trouble. You are welcome.
:
: I suggest you review what I said about this above. I posted no naked
: children.
Tell it to the judge :P
:
::::: When they do catch a molester, they
::::: want the him to have downloaded evidence on his computer. They
::::: don't take kindly to "people" who want to interfere with that.
::::
:::: then go away to a properly labelled group instead of trying to hide
:::: in an alt.fan group which was created for meowers.
:::: if decent usenet browsers can see a clear label that there is child
:::: porn in a group from its title, they will not go there.
:::
::: This is what I advised, and in the other group as well. As you see,
::: it didn't happen. Some people have to learn the hard way. In this
::: regard, are you any different? :-)
::
:: On my easynews account group list, I see
:: alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.boys, why not use that? Although how
:: anyone can find children to be erotic totally defeats me.
:
: I could explain this, but it would take a WHOLE lot of typing, and it
: may never result in understanding.
:
: Some examples of "unusual" eroticism (there are newsgroups and web
: sites devoted to these "fetishes":
: Feet. Yes, just that.
: Feet in white socks.
: Ear lobes. I'm not kidding. Popular in Germany.
: Ah, butts. All kinds.
: Breasts the size of 30 pound watermelons, and the women to match them.
: VERY popular.
: Over muscled men. Grotesque body builders. I have a 650 pound client
: who loves them. He has a condition that's the opposite of anorexia.
: Water sports. Do I have to say that it's urine?
: And now the crap. Literally. Yes, I mean that. There are people who
: really "get off" on having people ah, dump on them. And even eating
: it. Pics and vids in the "scat" groups. If you aren't turned on by
: that, DON'T GO THERE. Believe me, you'll really regret it.
Hey, all consenting adults there, whatever floats their boats is cool by me.
In fact I'll probably subscribe to a few ;)
:
: Now, in view of all the above, in comparison, is it all that bad to
: like any kind of real average type person, and appreciate the beauty
: that's in all of us? I'm not trying to make excuses, or convert
: anyone, but as you see, personal taste isn't the basis by which we
: should judge the worth of a person.
: There are BLs in all walks of life, and many of them are not gay, and
: live heterosexual lives. Yes, this seems odd, but that's how it is.
: It's complicated. Most don't molest children.
So those who don't actively molest children just look at images of
previously molested children and harm them by proxy and that's all ok in
your book?
: The thing is, as with all the other odd sexual predilections people
: have, you will never know who these people are, and you probably know
: some of them personally. Scary, aint it? :-)
As long as they are old enough to know their sexuality, not scary at all.
:
::::: Of course,
::::: BLs have to protect themselves with whatever security measures
::::: they can take (I help with that), so the result is that mostly
::::: it's real child abusers who actually get caught, by what they do
::::: outside of Usenet. We even help the LEA find and catch people who
::::: are actively harming children. LEA and BLs are satisfied with
::::: this compromise.
::::
:::: BL = Boy Lover = pedophile.
:::: do you really think the children in the images you post have not
:::: been abused during the taking of those?
:::
::: Right. Some weren't, but some were. Unfortunately, what is done, is
::: already done. If their past suffering can help keep other children
::: safer, then I think it should. I know it's not the best solution,
::: but sometimes compromises have to be made, for the greater good.
::
:: OK, personally I enjoy looking at images of plump women, none of
:: whom have been abused in the image creation process. Of course this
:: doesn't cause me to go out and rape plump ladies; however were I to
:: be presented with a situation where I was able to have consentual
:: sex with one I'd certainly jump at the chance. I would argue that
:: guys whacking off to images of children (obviously unstable in the
:: 1st place) will cause their mindset to be more inclined to have sex
:: with kids which is clearly harmful.
:
: Nope. Mental instability has nothing to do with masturbation.
: Labeling someone "unstable" because one dislikes his sexuality, is
: allowing bias to interfere with one's judgment.
: I could do the same with people who like fat women.
: Different viewpoints and feelings, likes and dislikes, do NOT confer
: an accurate judgment of "unstable" on someone.
Point taken so far. but fat women aren't vulnerable kids.
My honest view on sexuality is that as long as no-one is harmed, go for it.
However there is *real* harm done when kids are involved and anyone who
finds children to be at all erotic needs castration. Just my opinion, of
course..
:
: You are making the common misconception of the reversed "chicken and
: the egg" scenario. Which comes first (please ignore the possible pun
: there), the chicken, or the egg? Is it the sexual attraction that
: causes you to want to look at pics of fat ladies, and poke them when
: you get a chance? Or is it looking at pictures of fat ladies, that
: CAUSES you to have an attraction for them, and makes want to poke them
: when you can?
: Think about it. The answer is simple. You wouldn't CHOOSE to look at
: those pics, if you didn't ALREADY have the attraction and dusire to
: poke them. How do we prove this? Easy. We show you pictures of
: something you aren't already attracted to, and see if they MAKE you
: attracted. Well, to save you from this boring, and possible
: disgusting, experiment, it doesn't work. :-)
Ok, so I admit the attraction to plump ladies is already there in my genes.
So sue me!
:
: This is the same with all kinds of sexual attractions.
: I'm not guessing. I mentioned experiments. We don't just theorize, you
: know. :-)
:
: The key part of your statement above, though, was "consensual sex".
: Pedophiles know they can't have this.
Which is why they kill kids once they eventually and inevitably fulfill
their desires.
: The ones who are motivated to
: control themselves, and are successful in doing that, don't molest
: children. For them, their only sexual outlet is fantasies, fed by
: images. Take this outlet away, and you reduce their ability to control
: their sexual urges. I'm not guessing about this. Remember the mention
: of experiments?
Yep, I do. However my wanking to fat chyx0rs does not lead me to harm any
innocent parties, such as children, even should I take my own fantasies into
reality.
Note the difference?
:
:
::::: There is another reason why this system is allowed to exist. No
::::: matter what some "people" might want, BLs aren't going to kill
::::: themselves. They exist. It's estimated that the average molester,
::::: molests over 50 children before he's caught. How do we keep them
::::: away from children? If they are fed enough porn, so they are so
::::: sexually expended from masturbating to it, that they don't go out
::::: and find new victims, children are going to Be much Safer. PEople
::::: who care ab_ut chiltren, want to do whatever is PRASTICAL, Do
::::: protect them fBom abusE.
::: :
:::: s_ your lQme argu]ent is that peds masturbating To images of
:::: abused children will somehow stop children being abused IRL?
:::: I'd strongly argue to the contrary that such images would encourage
:::: such behqviour.:> :
::
: So it ys in po`ular fiStion. Efer watcX that Law and Order Special
::: Victims TV show? Do you think it's actually real?
::: There is absolutely no evidence at all that, in adults, viewing
::: pornography of any kind causes people to commit any crimes.
::: Believe me, we WANT that to be a cause. It would be wonderful to be
::: able to isolate a cause for this behaviob, that Ge could control but
::: in acDual facD, that all the research shows, it's actually the
::: opposite that happens. Men who can satisfy themselves with images,
::: are much less likely to harm children.
:::
::: We have a need to demonize people who have parts of themselves we
::: dislike, to dislike all of the person, and deny they have any good
::: human qualities. This isn't realistic. I use the term BL here,
::: because "pedophile" isn't completely accurate for this particular
::: population. Think about this. Everyone knows that harming a child
::: is bad. VERY bad. But what does one do when one's sexual feelings
::: and urges make them want to do that? They fight the curse. They
::: KNOW that what they have urges to do, is bad. Sometimes they loose
::: the fight to resist their urges, and harm a child. If they can use
::: images to help distract themselves from actual children, to help
::: them control their behavior they really WANT to control, I view
::: this as a good thing, and to be supported, for the safety of the
::: children. But lets not forget these poor souls who don't want to
::: harm the children they are attracted to. They need personal help
::: too. I try to give them that help, to test and increase their
::: ability to exercise their self control, and to help them understand
::: themselves. Usenet is the only place where they can even try to
::: receive the psychological help they need. I do what I can to help
::: them, with whatever has a realistic chance of success. Every BL I
::: help to control himself, is worth at least 50 children who aren't
::: going to be molested. I'm old, and not in the best health. Doing
::: this work is a reason to live, so I do.
::
:: So you justify your posting of child porn by claiming it is to
:: protect children?
:: Sorry, but that is just a ludicrous argument.
:
: Well, I didn't post any kind of pornography, so the first part of your
: argument is fallacious.
As already stated, I'm not about to look.
: The other part, in which you express your opinion of that, is just
: that, an opinion, based on your dislike of what you think is posted,
: and not on real evidence compiled over many years by hundreds of
: mental health professionals. We don't make assumptions, we look at
: what really happens. Children's lives are at stake. We can't afford
: to let ourselves make ignorant mistakes.
Post links, I'd be interested in reading this research.
:
::: I have a 17 year old BL I mentor, in real life. I collect boy Speedo
::: pictures for him to use for his ah, nightly activities. These images
::: are not against the law in most countries. He likes them very much,
::: and so far, he has not molested anyone. I don't know what would have
::: happened if he hadn't had the pictures I gave him. but from what
::: he's told me, I think there would have been some molestations.
::
:: And you honestly think you aren't encouraging him by feeding him
:: with these images? If he's gay why not give him adult gay porn
:: instead?
:
: He's not interested in mature adults, and won't look at pics of them.
: But, his age range of sexual attraction is expanding as he gets older.
: I told him it would. He didn't believe me before. Now he does. He's
: looking for boyfriends his own age. I have some hope that, if he
: finally finds one, he will be screwing his brains out so much, he
: won't have much of himself left over to even think of younger boys.
: :-)
: He knows about these newsgroups, and can download anything he wants
: to. If I fill up his hard drive with thousands (9GB) of pictures of
: non naked boys he enjoys looking at, don't you think that's better
: than him downloading real porn?
You seriously think a 17 year old just looks at non-nude images?
Check under his bed for wank mags perhaps.
:
::: Please remember, we can't "put away" people for their feelings and
::: urges, but only after they commit a crime. Then it's too late for
::: the victim. And then the victim gets even more damaged by the legal
::: system. I would like to prevent this as much as possible.
:::
::::: So what does all this mean?
::::: People who interfere with the BL groups, are actually interfering
::::: with the arrangements the LEA have made, and they WON'T be happy
::::: about that. And by causing posts to stop, they are actually
::::: hurting children. Not all BLs are child molesters. We want that
::::: to STAY that way. If BLs don't get their fix of porn, well, who
::::: wants to be responsible for what could happen? But guess who will
::::: get the heat for messing with the situation?
::::
:::: then go to a clearly labelled group in alt.binaries.*
:::: now you and your fellow partners in crime GET THE FUCK OUT of
:::: alt.fan.aavfff.
:::: do I look scared of any heat?
:::
::: Well, I don't know, what's your temp? :-)
::: Which kind of thermometer should we use? In this group, better not
::: bend over, if you look young and pretty.
::: Well, I couldn't resist a little joke here. I hope it didn't upset
::: anyone. It's so difficult to restrain my sense of humor. Self
::: control? What's that? :-)
::: Sometimes we need to lighten up a little, or in very unprofessional
::: terms, go absolutely bonkers!
::
:: Am I correct in my assumption that we have met before?
:: If you are who I think you are, there was some fun with the UFFies?
:
: I like fun. I don't get much of an opportunity for that in these
: groups, and that's all I'll say about that. :-)
ok. fair enuff.
:
::: I agree that the posters should leave. I warned them about this when
::: they started posting here. I've actively supported this group,
::: because of the relatively ah, inoffensive postings in it. I think
::: it should continue, for people who don't want to see the hard core
::: stuff. How about you give us a few days to get the move organized,
::: and the new group selected? With the various time zones, and sleep
::: and work schedules of the various posters, it may take a little
::: while to do this. After all, you haven't used this group in years,
::: and didn't notice what's been happening in it, for weeks. There
::: doesn't seem to be much of a need for urgency here.
::: Maybe we can do this nicely, if you all agree not to bother the new
::: group, whatever it might be called.
::
:: Nicely and pedos in the same sentence does not compute.
: That could be because I didn't actually write it that way. :-)
:
:: If you go to alt.binaries.* in a clearly named group instead of
:: hiding out in alt.fan.* which is a text hierarchy, I personally
:: won't follow you.
:
: "Hiding" isn't possible in Usenet. At least not for long. The binaries
: groups have too much spam in them, and the ones with "boy" in them are
: flooded with pornographic spam. I would like to avoid those, for this
: mostly non pornographic group. You didn't know what this group was
: about?
: I'm not surprised. You've made some unfounded assumptions about what's
: posted here, and about what I post. You could do better.
: Sometimes, actually LOOKING, can make us seem smarter, when we discuss
: these things. :-)
Downloading images of naked children is illegal here, so I choose not to
look.
Also posting binaries to a text hierarchy such as alt.fan.* is considered by
most news admins as net abuse. go to a properly labelled alt.binaries.*
group and post a killfile tutorial for the spam.
:
: Please don't ask me if I've downloaded any of the posts here. My
: answer may disappoint some people.
:
: I've been engaging in Usenet text debates for a good many years. I've
: developed some skill at it. I can easily defend what I post, because
: like in a chess game, I've already thought out future responses,
: before I post anything. I actually teach this. People who communicate
: with me, without putting all their intelligence into their efforts,
: WILL be told about it, if I feel like it. I hope this doesn't upset
: you.
: Well, at least not too much. :-)
:
: Oh, I almost forgot to mention this. I don't lie. I don't state
: something as fact, that I don't know to be true. Lots of people argue
: about this with me, but so far, in all these years, no one has been
: able to provide incontrovertible proof that I've ever lied in any
: Usenet post. We've uncoverd a number of mistakes, though. :-)
I didn't call you a liar.
:
:
: Y Not
:
:
::: Take care,
:::
:::
::: Y Not
:::
:::
::::: As for MY part in all this, well, the fact that I'm mostly
::::: disliked by BLs and Trolls alike, should speak volumes. :-)
:::::
::::: This post is not crossposted.
:::::
:::::
::::: Y Not
:::::
:::::
::::::: On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:19:22 GMT, "Rolex"
::::::: <kidrolex@hushhush.com>, wrote:
:::::::
:::::::: Welcome: to the new version of AAVFFF
::::::::
:::::::: Before: AAVFFF = ALT ALIEN VAMPIRES FLONK FLONK FLONK
:::::::: After: AAVFFF = AN ARTISTIC VISION FOR FAERIE FOLLOWERS
:::::::
::::::: Wrong, kiddie diddler.
:::::::
::::::::
:::::::: Please follow the new set of FAQ:
::::::::
:::::::: This is a boylover (BL) group only. If you DO NOT like this
:::::::: idea then GET OUT. And go play somewhere else
:::::::
::::::: Piss off, pedo.
:::::::
:::::::: No crossposting
:::::::
::::::: Ooops. I accidentally crossposted. Sorry, 'boy lover'.
:::::::
:::::::: Please everyone: No fighting, arguing or bickering here,
:::::::: Bitch elsewhere
:::::::
::::::: But here is where you scumbags hang out posting kiddie porn.
:::::::
:::::::: Try not to flood the group with your favorites. Limit the
:::::::: amount of posts to 30 max. Let the little guy post his.
:::::::: This gives a variety in the group for all to see and capture
:::::::: what he likes
::::::::
::::::::
:::::::: Please do post: Photos from the past. Art paintings.
:::::::: Beachware. Single poses favorable,
:::::::: Artistic nudity. Fantasy and
:::::::: dragon images, sport cars, foreign scenic views
::::::::
:::::::
::::::: I see you're adding non-pedo related suggestions to try and hide
::::::: what you do here.
:::::::
::::::::
:::::::: Please do not post: Anal or oral sex. Groups of bystanders
:::::::: such as street or beach scenes.
:::::::: No adults with young ones.
:::::::: Heavy sexual content
:::::::: No videos (there are other
:::::::: groups available)
:::::::
::::::: ie - things you'd get arrested for.
:::::::
::::::::
::::::::
:::::::: Your cooperation is appreciated in following a very simple set
:::::::: of rules. Comments are always taken into consideration
::::::::
:::::::: Thank you for Listening
:::::::: Rolex
:::::::
::::::: This is an unmoderated group. It was not created for naked boy
::::::: pics. I'll come here and do whatever I want, regardless of any
::::::: stupid FAQ you've cobbled together to try and control it.
:::::::
::::::: Have a nice day, tosser.
:::::::
::::::: Jade
--
Steve Leyland
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=^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=
The only purpose of education is to teach a student how to live his
life by developing his mind and equipping him to deal with reality. The
training he needs is theoretical, i.e., conceptual. He has to be taught
to think, to understand, to integrate, to prove. He has to be taught
the essentials of the knowledge discovered in the past and he has to be
equipped to acquire further knowledge by his own effort. - Ayn Rand
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"My suggestion is to completely ignore idiots like Leland. They are the
lowest form of pond scum. People like him have tried unsuccessfully in
the past to disrupt the newsgroup. The best medicine is to completely
ignore them. As I'm sure you'll see, they're most intelligent response
is to yell nasty names. Other than that, they have nothing."
JG, netKKKop, alt.sailing.asa
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"Warning to all:
Steve Leyland is a trolling twat of the highest order. Killfile the
muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on his past
UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned. *plonk*"
Bear, netKKKop, uk.rec.motorcycles
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"I didn't delete any part of your meaningless, pointless, worthless
post in order to clearly demonstrate that you are the nemesis of
Usenet: the crossposting, non-editing, diagram-creating worthless,
dickless, brainless, gutless, mindless, ball-less, spineless, flaccid,
obese, fish-belly pale, ugly, VD-ridden, moronic, bald, hunch-backed,
flat-footed, odoriferous, obnoxious, fecal-smelling, buck-toothed,
physically handicapped, fungus-infected, HIV positive, mud-packing,
masturbating, whining, simpering, self-important, arrogant, egomaniacal
POS that takes up more bandwidth than a despicable binary-poster, and
for no apparent reason beyond seeing his own defecatory vomitus
slithering down the screen in vile green rivulets."
Admiral Halsey, alt.sailing.asa
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"I went to the Garden of Love,
And saw what I never had seen;
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.
And the gates of this Chapel were shut
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
So I turned to the Garden of Love
That so many sweet flowers bore.
And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tombstones where flowers should be;
And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires."
William Blake.
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"When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of
people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as
Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment."
Native American prophecy
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