::Y-Not:: wrote:
: In article <d4mv7s$h0f$1@wilhelp.databasix.com>, Steve Leyland
: <steveREMOVEDOTINVALIDTOREPLY@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
:
:::: Y-Not:: wrote:
::: In article <1114556951.8a0947e1ce324b800436b9fd243422da@teranews>,
::: FairPlayforAll <talkit@over.org> wrote:
:::
:::: In article <vu6t61h1eqso0gll5r52t1u66o5hs8p44o@4ax.com>, jade@net-
:::: kooks.org wrote...
::::
:::: Hey guys, the group wasn't even being used until Rolex came along.
:::: You really ought to speak to Y-Not about this. Didn't he make a
:::: deal and a truce with you guys the last time there was some
:::: trouble? I think if you maybe talked things over with Y-Not we
:::: could come to some arrangement and then just go our separate
:::: peaceful ways. He knows quite a few important people who could
:::: definitely back him up if push came to shove. I'm sure none of you
:::: good folks wants to get in trouble with your ISP, right?
::::
:::: --
:::: FairPlayForAll
:::
::: Top posting can be SO Kornfusing.
::
:: wow, for once I actually agree with a pedo.
:
: Thank you for your intelligent response. It deserves a useful reply.
Then I shall respond in a similar manner.
:
: Not all people who post in "pedo" groups are "pedos". Well YOU are
: posting here, right? Please withhold your personal judgment, until you
: have more information.
I am posting text, not binaries. You are posting binaries of 200k or so,
which I assume to be images of naked children. Big difference, d00d.
:
::: What I did before, with others, isn't in effect now. It never was,
::: for THIS group. BLs were supposed to not post here, according to the
::: agreement. I said this when Rolex started to post here.
::
:: BL = pedophile, stop attempting to disguise your sickness.
:
: I'm a psychologist. Please leave the diagnosis to the professionals.
Are you implying that "Boy Loving" is not a sickness?
:
::: Some of the names I recognize, but their personalities have changed
::: a little. There is still some amusement in them, though.
::
:: so did george really kill himself last time after what I said?
:: I bet all the local parents of young boys in his area felt much
:: safer if he did.
:
: No, he returned to posting, with a different name. He's threatened to
: kill himself four times that I know of. He hasn't tried to actually do
: it. That is, if we are talking about the same George.
Possibly the same guy, he *knew* what he was doing was wrong and hated
himself so much he threatened suicide.
:
::: So they told the authorities about this group? Did they think LEA
::: are STUPID? Of course LEA already knew about this newsgroup, and
::: about all the others, and they DON'T appreciate frightened ninnies
::: bothering them about it. Do you think our new visitors have ever
::: wondered why this kind of thing has been allowed to continue all
::: these years? LEA *WANTS* EVIDENCE to be posted!
::
:: I and many others reported your little boy admiration pedo society 4
:: years ago to the law, so yes, they are certainly watching.
:
: I've been monitoring these newsgroups for a little longer than that. I
: was asked to do it by some people who had received some reports of
: children posting porn.
Do you mean adults posting child porn, or what you typed?
: You weren't the first to do the reporting.
: Sorry to take away your credit. :-)
Have you reported yourself for the binaries you are posting?
I saved you the trouble. You are welcome.
:
::: When they do catch a molester, they
::: want the him to have downloaded evidence on his computer. They don't
::: take kindly to "people" who want to interfere with that.
::
:: then go away to a properly labelled group instead of trying to hide
:: in an alt.fan group which was created for meowers.
:: if decent usenet browsers can see a clear label that there is child
:: porn in a group from its title, they will not go there.
:
: This is what I advised, and in the other group as well. As you see, it
: didn't happen. Some people have to learn the hard way. In this regard,
: are you any different? :-)
On my easynews account group list, I see alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.boys,
why not use that? Although how anyone can find children to be erotic totally
defeats me.
::: Of course,
::: BLs have to protect themselves with whatever security measures they
::: can take (I help with that), so the result is that mostly it's real
::: child abusers who actually get caught, by what they do outside of
::: Usenet. We even help the LEA find and catch people who are actively
::: harming children. LEA and BLs are satisfied with this compromise.
::
:: BL = Boy Lover = pedophile.
:: do you really think the children in the images you post have not
:: been abused during the taking of those?
:
: Right. Some weren't, but some were. Unfortunately, what is done, is
: already done. If their past suffering can help keep other children
: safer, then I think it should. I know it's not the best solution, but
: sometimes compromises have to be made, for the greater good.
OK, personally I enjoy looking at images of plump women, none of whom have
been abused in the image creation process. Of course this doesn't cause me
to go out and rape plump ladies; however were I to be presented with a
situation where I was able to have consentual sex with one I'd certainly
jump at the chance. I would argue that guys whacking off to images of
children (obviously unstable in the 1st place) will cause their mindset to
be more inclined to have sex with kids which is clearly harmful.
:
::: There is another reason why this system is allowed to exist. No
::: matter what some "people" might want, BLs aren't going to kill
::: themselves. They exist. It's estimated that the average molester,
::: molests over 50 children before he's caught. How do we keep them
::: away from children? If they are fed enough porn, so they are so
::: sexually expended from masturbating to it, that they don't go out
::: and find new victims, children are going to be much safer. People
::: who care about children, want to do whatever is PRACTICAL, to
::: protect them from abuse.
::
:: so your lame argument is that pedos masturbating to images of abused
:: children will somehow stop children being abused IRL?
:: I'd strongly argue to the contrary that such images would encourage
:: such behaviour.
:
: So it is in popular fiction. Ever watch that Law and Order Special
: Victims TV show? Do you think it's actually real?
: There is absolutely no evidence at all that, in adults, viewing
: pornography of any kind causes people to commit any crimes.
: Believe me, we WANT that to be a cause. It would be wonderful to be
: able to isolate a cause for this behavior, that we could control, but
: in actual fact, that all the research shows, it's actually the
: opposite that happens. Men who can satisfy themselves with images,
: are much less likely to harm children.
:
: We have a need to demonize people who have parts of themselves we
: dislike, to dislike all of the person, and deny they have any good
: human qualities. This isn't realistic. I use the term BL here, because
: "pedophile" isn't completely accurate for this particular population.
: Think about this. Everyone knows that harming a child is bad. VERY
: bad. But what does one do when one's sexual feelings and urges make
: them want to do that? They fight the curse. They KNOW that what they
: have urges to do, is bad. Sometimes they loose the fight to resist
: their urges, and harm a child. If they can use images to help distract
: themselves from actual children, to help them control their behavior
: they really WANT to control, I view this as a good thing, and to be
: supported, for the safety of the children. But lets not forget these
: poor souls who don't want to harm the children they are attracted to.
: They need personal help too. I try to give them that help, to test and
: increase their ability to exercise their self control, and to help
: them understand themselves. Usenet is the only place where they can
: even try to receive the psychological help they need. I do what I can
: to help them, with whatever has a realistic chance of success. Every
: BL I help to control himself, is worth at least 50 children who
: aren't going to be molested. I'm old, and not in the best health.
: Doing this work is a reason to live, so I do.
So you justify your posting of child porn by claiming it is to protect
children?
Sorry, but that is just a ludicrous argument.
:
: I have a 17 year old BL I mentor, in real life. I collect boy Speedo
: pictures for him to use for his ah, nightly activities. These images
: are not against the law in most countries. He likes them very much,
: and so far, he has not molested anyone. I don't know what would have
: happened if he hadn't had the pictures I gave him. but from what he's
: told me, I think there would have been some molestations.
And you honestly think you aren't encouraging him by feeding him with these
images? If he's gay why not give him adult gay porn instead?
:
: Please remember, we can't "put away" people for their feelings and
: urges, but only after they commit a crime. Then it's too late for the
: victim. And then the victim gets even more damaged by the legal
: system. I would like to prevent this as much as possible.
:
::: So what does all this mean?
::: People who interfere with the BL groups, are actually interfering
::: with the arrangements the LEA have made, and they WON'T be happy
::: about that. And by causing posts to stop, they are actually hurting
::: children. Not all BLs are child molesters. We want that to STAY that
::: way. If BLs don't get their fix of porn, well, who wants to be
::: responsible for what could happen? But guess who will get the heat
::: for messing with the situation?
::
:: then go to a clearly labelled group in alt.binaries.*
:: now you and your fellow partners in crime GET THE FUCK OUT of
:: alt.fan.aavfff.
:: do I look scared of any heat?
:
: Well, I don't know, what's your temp? :-)
: Which kind of thermometer should we use? In this group, better not
: bend over, if you look young and pretty.
: Well, I couldn't resist a little joke here. I hope it didn't upset
: anyone. It's so difficult to restrain my sense of humor. Self control?
: What's that? :-)
: Sometimes we need to lighten up a little, or in very unprofessional
: terms, go absolutely bonkers!
Am I correct in my assumption that we have met before?
If you are who I think you are, there was some fun with the UFFies?
:
: I agree that the posters should leave. I warned them about this when
: they started posting here. I've actively supported this group, because
: of the relatively ah, inoffensive postings in it. I think it should
: continue, for people who don't want to see the hard core stuff. How
: about you give us a few days to get the move organized, and the new
: group selected? With the various time zones, and sleep and work
: schedules of the various posters, it may take a little while to do
: this. After all, you haven't used this group in years, and didn't
: notice what's been happening in it, for weeks. There doesn't seem to
: be much of a need for urgency here.
: Maybe we can do this nicely, if you all agree not to bother the new
: group, whatever it might be called.
Nicely and pedos in the same sentence does not compute.
If you go to alt.binaries.* in a clearly named group instead of hiding out
in alt.fan.* which is a text hierarchy, I personally won't follow you.
:
:
: Take care,
:
:
: Y Not
:
:
::: As for MY part in all this, well, the fact that I'm mostly disliked
::: by BLs and Trolls alike, should speak volumes. :-)
:::
::: This post is not crossposted.
:::
:::
::: Y Not
:::
:::
::::: On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:19:22 GMT, "Rolex" <kidrolex@hushhush.com>,
::::: wrote:
:::::
:::::: Welcome: to the new version of AAVFFF
::::::
:::::: Before: AAVFFF = ALT ALIEN VAMPIRES FLONK FLONK FLONK
:::::: After: AAVFFF = AN ARTISTIC VISION FOR FAERIE FOLLOWERS
:::::
::::: Wrong, kiddie diddler.
:::::
::::::
:::::: Please follow the new set of FAQ:
::::::
:::::: This is a boylover (BL) group only. If you DO NOT like this idea
:::::: then GET OUT. And go play somewhere else
:::::
::::: Piss off, pedo.
:::::
:::::: No crossposting
:::::
::::: Ooops. I accidentally crossposted. Sorry, 'boy lover'.
:::::
:::::: Please everyone: No fighting, arguing or bickering here, Bitch
:::::: elsewhere
:::::
::::: But here is where you scumbags hang out posting kiddie porn.
:::::
:::::: Try not to flood the group with your favorites. Limit the
:::::: amount of posts to 30 max. Let the little guy post his.
:::::: This gives a variety in the group for all to see and capture what
:::::: he likes
::::::
::::::
:::::: Please do post: Photos from the past. Art paintings.
:::::: Beachware. Single poses favorable,
:::::: Artistic nudity. Fantasy and
:::::: dragon images, sport cars, foreign scenic views
::::::
:::::
::::: I see you're adding non-pedo related suggestions to try and hide
::::: what you do here.
:::::
::::::
:::::: Please do not post: Anal or oral sex. Groups of bystanders
:::::: such as street or beach scenes.
:::::: No adults with young ones.
:::::: Heavy sexual content
:::::: No videos (there are other
:::::: groups available)
:::::
::::: ie - things you'd get arrested for.
:::::
::::::
::::::
:::::: Your cooperation is appreciated in following a very simple set of
:::::: rules. Comments are always taken into consideration
::::::
:::::: Thank you for Listening
:::::: Rolex
:::::
::::: This is an unmoderated group. It was not created for naked boy
::::: pics. I'll come here and do whatever I want, regardless of any
::::: stupid FAQ you've cobbled together to try and control it.
:::::
::::: Have a nice day, tosser.
:::::
::::: Jade
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