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From: Patti <PattiR@nowhere.net>
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I swear this will be my last entry into this elongated thread but, for the
"newbies", I think a term is being tossed about where it doesn't belong.
Everyone keeps using the term "format" (to describe how something is posted)
when, in most cases, they mean (or should mean) "codec" (or possible something
else).
To whine that an MP3 file (as opposed to Wav, Flac, oog, etc) is in the wrong
format because it is archived in a Zip or Rar envelope/container is incorrect.
Someone whined about "only Parity files" (which only showed they did not know
how to read)... but, as someone pointed out... it is possible to post (for
example) an MP3 file using only Parity files. It would make little sense, and
negate the true purpose of said files... but it can be done. Does that make the
post the "wrong format" ??
My other "final" comment, which I'm sure will unleash a hornets nest of
screaming replies (although that is not my intent)... is why are so many posters
so hung up on "free format" when (I guarantee you) most do not have a clue how
to use it, what is was meant for AND that it has been proven to be (when
properly used... which it rarely is) not 100% compatible with all players??
the so-called "free format" is known to have (for some reason) tagging problems
AND, more to the point... why even bother to use it when every post I've seen
(in this group) allows it to default to 320kbps thereby nullifying anything that
"might" (and I stress the word "might") be gained from it's usage.
More than likely (as with so many things these days) people read only part of a
usage description and fail to read and/or comprehend the actual implementation.
Sorry... was not trying to sound "trollish" but using "free format" at it's
default settings (of 320) is akin (IMHO) of buying a car, known to have
problems, that, when accelerated, can only be driven on certain roadways, and,
although supposedly capable of doing 200mph... is only driven at 55.
So my (not to be trollish) question is: why use it?
okay... this old broad is now in quiet mode. <grin>
Luv Patti
On Thu, 06 Apr 2017 16:33:18 -0700, Spidey <Hannah_Qe@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hello again! It almost sounds as if I wrote your reply! I think we are
>different pages from the same book. I'm in my 70s, and have been here
>pretty much (but not quite) since the beginning.
>
>My memories go back a little further (acoustic coupler on my phone
>handset instead of a modem).
>
>You're quite right about the current crop and their seemingly infinite
>sense of entitlement, and we're not returning to a sense of gratitude
>any time soon, I fear.
>
>I've always done my best to clean up the titles and tags of anything I
>post. I do set the bar pretty low with minimal information, but if I
>spend the time, the value if that time is multiplied by the number of
>downloaders, who don't have to each do it themselves.
>
>People who post the wrong kind of music, or the music in the wrong
>format, come and go, as do the trolls. I can afford to wait them out
>instead of trying in vain to school them. Like I said, they're always
>going to have excuses for their behavior, so nothing I could possibly
>say would make any difference (Witness the current discussion and the
>continued archive postings).
>
>Anyway, thanks for the quick reply and thanks to the people who
>continue to share. Yes, it's a bit of work, but I for one find it
>quite rewarding.
>
>Stay Strong,
>
>Spidey
>
>
>
>On Thu, 06 Apr 2017 15:19:21 -0700, Patti <PattiR@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>>Well.. Since I don't post to this group (although I've been known to post
>>elsewhere) I guess my "two cents worth" is worth just that... or less.
>>
>>I can remember back to accessing usenet with a 300 baud (1200 if we
>>were lucky) modem and patting ourselves on the head if/when we were
>>able to successfully download a lowgrade WAV file (or possibly a GIF if we
>>were into images). I guess I'm having a hard time wrapping my head
>>around these instant gratification millennials who truly believe that they are
>>owed everything AND they want it NOW! For them it's a pushbutton world
>>(it's all they've ever known) and the thought of having to push 2 or 3
>>buttons reeks of blue collar labor. <sigh>
>>
>>Obviously I was raised in a different era but...the concept of constantly
>>whining about having to put forth a little effort in order to get something that
>>is absolutely FREE is totally foreign to this old broad. :(
>>
>>Personally I find the plethora of "various artist" posts... where the poster
>>hasn't taken the time to add the artists name to the title, far more annoying.
>>But that's just me and I don't post a dozen complaints about it. Yep, I may
>>be "forced" to work hard and download the "back" cover (if posted) to see if
>>I want to spend the 4-5 seconds downloading it... but I'm a tough old lady...
>>I can handle it.
>>
>>Anyway... I was not aware that this group was moderated but, since you
>>seem to be the leader of the pack ( 60s pun intended).... and the Zipped
>>and Rared posts seem to irk, irritate and/or bother you all so much... why
>>don't you just tell those posters that their contributions are not welcome?
>>
>>Luv Patti
>>
>>On Thu, 06 Apr 2017 09:12:59 -0700, Spidey <Hannah_Qe@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Hi Patti! (As you can see, I'm also one of the dreaded "top posters"
>>>(and I always have been).
>>>
>>>To answer your question, the "amen" was to a reply I made which said
>>>that people should post in the correct genre and format. In this case,
>>>it means MP3s of 1960s music, as is stated by the name of the group.
>>>
>>>PAR files actually don't enter into it (except in confusion).
>>>
>>>The real issue is, however, archive files. Some people (like you) will
>>>take postings any way they can get them and some people (like me)
>>>think that making people read through NFO files to see what's in a
>>>post, or making them download a whole collection instead of one or
>>>tracks they actually want, is not cool.
>>>
>>>"No one is forcing me to download them" and "My newsreader has a kill
>>>filer" do very little to address the issue of people refusing to honor
>>>the intent of the group. Making people dig deeper to see if they want
>>>to download something, or making them constantly apply filters, isn't
>>>the end of the world, but it's just rude and selfish (IMHO).
>>>
>>>Since so few people are contributing anything at all, this is in
>>>actuality not that important, but we are talking about principles, and
>>>people highjacking the group to do things their own way, instead of
>>>simply doing what has traditionally been done over the years, and for
>>>no valid reason.
>>>
>>>By the way, someone did offer the "reason" that archive files somehow
>>>fool the authorities looking for copyright violations, because the
>>>individual track names and artists don't appear in plain text. Believe
>>>me, if you can open a ZIP or RAR file to see inside, the good folks at
>>>the RIAA can as well.
>>>
>>>Anyway, thank you for your calm, measured reply. Too many times,
>>>people forget that this should be a happy, sharing place, and let the
>>>hotheads ruin their day (now THERE's a reason for a kill filter!).
>>>
>>>Peace,
>>>
>>>Spidey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Thu, 06 Apr 2017 06:19:08 -0700, Patti <PattiR@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm so sorry for "top posting" but this thread has become ridiculously long and
>>>>convoluted.
>>>>
>>>>Not that it makes a huge difference in the world but (since I've lost track of
>>>>who is responding to whom) would you be so kind as to tell me what thought the
>>>>"Amen" is to??
>>>>
>>>>All I can tell is that someone is (or was) complaining about "how" certain MP3
>>>>files were being posted (he or she did not like them "archived") or hated Par
>>>>files and that did not fit in with the way he/she prefers to pick and chose the
>>>>FREE individual files that he/she believes they've paid so much for and that
>>>>they have a right to have things posted the way they want them.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not able to post much so I am eternally grateful to ALL posters that post on
>>>>topic, MP3 (format) files no matter how they are "packaged". I read the NFO or
>>>>track list... if the contents interest me I download the package (which these
>>>>days takes only a few moments... un-zip them, keep what I want and delete the
>>>>rest. No big deal
>>>>
>>>>I also know (as many have stated) that if I don't like the way in which MP3
>>>>files are posted... maybe I know that a certain poster always posts low quality
>>>>files at 128kbps.... no one is forcing me to download them. My newsreader has a
>>>>kill filter.
>>>>
>>>>Am I missing something ?
>>>>
>>>>Luv Patti
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, 05 Apr 2017 11:03:26 -0400, steve84 <joebo@joe.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Amen!
>>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 13:21:32 -0700, Spidey <Hannah_Qe@hotmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"I hope you get to take the nap you onviously need." Ha! I've always
>>>>>>found it amusing how tough people talk on the Internet - if they only
>>>>>>knew about the covert pictures the NSA has of them sitting in the dark
>>>>>>in their underwear, whacking off to a video of a couple of trannies
>>>>>>going at it!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Oh, I post flac files in the MP3 group because they are so much
>>>>>>better."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Oh, I rip entire CD's to a single file so you can enjoy them the way
>>>>>>they were recorded."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Oh, I do what I want, because I know better than the thousands and
>>>>>>thousands of posters who came before me."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There's alway an excuse and there's always someone saying, "If you
>>>>>>don't like it, just don't download it". They miss the point entirely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This isn't only YOUR group. It was founded and named by folks who want
>>>>>>to share music from the different decades, in MP3 format. Yeah,
>>>>>>there's a thousand other ways to share this music, in many formats,
>>>>>>but why would anyone just flat ignore why this group was founded? Want
>>>>>>to form your own group instead of highjacking this one? It's not that
>>>>>>hard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What part of this concept is causing you all the trouble
>>>>>>understanding?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Can I get an "Amen"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 12:22:15 -0400, steve84 <joebo@joe.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sat, 01 Apr 2017 06:21:23 -0700, Archie <archP@numsoft.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 18:15:18 -0400, steve84 <joebo@joe.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Those are just par files. No individual mp3s
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 06:35:50 -0700, Archie <archP@numsoft.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 20:19:57 -0400, steve84 <joebo@joe.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On TMDs posts?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 09:42:37 -0700, Archie <archP@numsoft.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 11:51:10 -0400, steve84 <joebo@joe.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>posting pars only is useless
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>You outta check/reload the newsgroup.. or check yer settings... ALL the files
>>>>>>>>>>>>are there on Giganews.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yep... here's a screen cap from Giganews for that date range.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Arch
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Make up your mind. First you whine about only PARity files. You don't seem to
>>>>>>>>be able to read (maybe bad eyesight) to notice the RAR files! The MP3 files are
>>>>>>>>archived (as are with ALL of TMDs hundreds of complete, intact and well defined
>>>>>>>>posts) in the RAR files.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I suggest that (since you are obviously a newbie) that you learn to read
>>>>>>>>(instead of being so myopically bent on repeating the same whine over and
>>>>>>>>over)... check the NFO files for detailed content then, if you want what you see
>>>>>>>>(assuming you have learned to read) DL the post and extract the files.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If all that 30 seconds of work is just too much for your little mind to
>>>>>>>>handle... hey, no one is forcing you to download anything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Arch
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>and BTW: to educate your little whiney mind... it IS actually possible to make
>>>>>>>>an entire, complete post out of nothing but PARity files if (for some reason)
>>>>>>>>someone wanted to (just to make a point). In fact, a lot of folks did just that
>>>>>>>>(for fun and/or as a joke) back when PARity files were first introduced.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So... either grow up or stop your incessant whining... you're becoming an
>>>>>>>>irritating little troll.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Once again... you don't like and/or comprehend TMD's posts... then KF them and
>>>>>>>>they won't bother you any more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>'nuff said
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wow you attitude sure changed once you realized how wrong you were. I
>>>>>>>have been here for years and this is an mp3 group. I know how to use
>>>>>>>rar and par files. The point is when you post mp3s people can pick
>>>>>>>and choose what they download. I hope you get to take the nap you
>>>>>>>obviously need
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