On 2016-03-07 14:17:35 +0000, AWS said:
> On 2016-03-07 04:38:34 +0000, [HELL_mary] said:
>
>> In article <56dce0e2$0$1469$b1db1813$3c7cb2fd@news.astraweb.com>, -_-
>> <who@whatwhere.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> In reply to "[HELL_mary]" who wrote the following:
>>>
>>>> In article <56dcd56b$0$2859$b1db1813$b96de544@news.astraweb.com>, -_-
>>>> <who@whatwhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In reply to "[HELL_mary]" who wrote the following:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <i2lodbdhmvbc0ecdvps6mf0anvi0amlcpd@4ax.com>, t0b0
>>>>>> <t0b0@t0b0.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Mar 2016 08:40:27 -0600, "[HELL_mary]"
>>>>>>> <kevin.moore@chromakey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <56dc2f61$0$38512$b1db1813$62b0a5a8@news.astraweb.com>,
>>>>>>>> -_-
>>>>>>>> <who@whatwhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In reply to "[HELL_mary]" who wrote the following:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>> <56dbb370$0$9469$b1db1813$b96576b3@news.astraweb.com>,
>>>>>>>>>> -_-
>>>>>>>>>> <who@whatwhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> These files are better then you need! Stick to the other flac
>>>>>>>>>>> goups!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 24bit are (or almost) SACD quality for listening to only. They
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> big
>>>>>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>>>>> downgrading the to mp3 or CD is IDIOTIC! Not to mention;
>>> stupid,
>>>>>>>>>>> silly,
>>>>>>>>>>> foolish,
>>>>>>>>>>> witless, brainless, mindless, thoughtless, unintelligent
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The world doesn't revolve around how the files you upload are
>>>>>>>>>> listened
>>>>>>>>>> to, bub. On my home system I listen to them as FLACs. I don't
>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> portable FLAC player or an SACD player in my car so 320kbps
>>> MP3's
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> my only alternative as of now. On top of that, a lot of the CDs
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> post aren't readily available any more and even with the loss in
>>>>>>>>>> quality they are still the best sounding versions out there.
>>> How
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> why does that make me a noob, idiotic, stupid, silly, foolish,
>>>>>>>>>> witless,
>>>>>>>>>> brainless, mindless, thoughtless, unintelligent? I live and
>>>>>>>>>> breathe
>>>>>>>>>> music and I have for most of my 54 years, so I don't appreciate
>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>> belittled by the likes of you for the way I listen to it and I'm
>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>> others here feel the same way.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Have you even compared a properly encoded LAME Stereo 320 MP3
>>> made
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> these remastered SACD files to one created from the original
>>> 44/16
>>>>>>>>>> releases? There's a HUGE difference in quality, but if you're
>>> too
>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>> of a fidelity snob, I guess you won't bother.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you really going to try and dictate how "your" files are
>>>>>>>>>> treated
>>>>>>>>>> and who can visit this group to download them? Why do you even
>>>>>>>>>> care?
>>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't affect you or your life even a little bit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd be careful about calling someone a noob too. I've been on
>>>>>>>>>> Usenet
>>>>>>>>>> since the late 80's and later helped charter and create many of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> audio groups you probably now enjoy. Looks like *you* are the
>>>>>>>>>> noob,
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> arrogant asshole.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ASSHOLE! GTFO of a group you don't understand Meathead!
>>>>>>>>> There are plenty of plain flac & mp3 groups you can get shit from!
>>>>>>>>> mp3s are for when whe had dial up. I have HHDs full of them I
>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>> lisen
>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>> You & your truck need to go fuck yourself!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I started pRon was no bigger then a thumbnail.
>>>>>>>>> Movies where VCD, then SVCD, the DVD & now 1080P.
>>>>>>>>> Pictures & wallpapers from 10 years ago are garbage now.
>>>>>>>>> Propperly encoded mp3s BS! 320 is as far as they go!
>>>>>>>>> Why are you even in a 24bit group! Am I just feeding trols now?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like I said: Arrogant asshole. Thanks for proving my point. Again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You still seem to be at a loss understanding that the files you post
>>>>>>>> are REMASTERS that are (in general) a huge step up in production
>>>>>>>> quality from original 44/16 CDs. The remastering alone makes it
>>>>>>>> worth
>>>>>>>> the bump in file size and storage. Why is it that you don't get
>>>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For your comfort, please know that I'll still be here, quietly
>>>>>>>> downloading "your" files. Hell... I might even re-encode some of
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> to Joint Stereo 128kbps MP3's just to piss you off even more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have a nice day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whoah! HELL_mary, you Holly Holm'd his ass! It'll be interesting to
>>>>>>> see how long it takes ' d ' to take his ball and go home, never to
>>>>>>> return to post any big-time stuff for us small-timers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> d, man I thought you were a decent guy/gal. I guess my 60+ years on
>>>>>>> the planet haven't taught me everything there is to know about people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> t0b0
>>>>>>> A 'noob' with 20+ years on Usenet.
>>>>>>> Happily d'loading all d's stuff and converting it to MP3
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah... it takes all kinds I suppose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He seems to think that we all have high-end, expensive home systems
>>>>>> (which I do) or doodads to play these files when away from home (I
>>>>>> don't). He totally disregards the fact that the remastering alone makes
>>>>>> these worth grabbing for the uptick in mastering/production and sonic
>>>>>> quality that's still evident even re-encoded to MP3s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still don't get why he even cares in the first place! He's deemed us
>>>>>> unworthy to even visit the 24-bit group much less [gasp!] have the
>>>>>> audacity to actually download his precious files. It's like we're
>>>>>> committing some sort of sacrilege by daring to use the files as we see
>>>>>> fit, especially since he didn't buy the CDs or rip most of them in the
>>>>>> first place. "Here's $100 for you. It's right here where you can get it
>>>>>> easily. You can only spend it on what I tell you though." Jerk.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah D/Led 2 to 4 gigs and make them 128 or even 320s mp3s is brilliant!
>>>>> There are plenty of mp3 groups & regular size flac groups.
>>>>> I don't need to D/Led the pars & reposting here.
>>>>> The only complainers here are
>>>>> the converters & burners.
>>>>
>>>> I really hope that you will finally read AND comprehend what I'm saying
>>>> rather than getting all pissed off and firing off another snotty
>>>> response without actually getting to the crux of my point.
>>>>
>>>> Complainers? Yes... that would be you since everyone that downloads
>>>> them (including the dreaded "converters") has thanked you for them
>>>> again and again. YOU complained and called people names because they
>>>> get converted and it doesn't fit into your snobby little view of how
>>>> music should be listened to.
>>>>
>>>> I get that not many younger people really listens to music as it was
>>>> intended any more. I really do. I'm old school from the vinyl days and
>>>> giant high-end home systems myself. Sadly, that's not the world we live
>>>> in any more, so you should at least be happy that you're exposing young
>>>> people to music they may have never heard before. For that, I applaud
>>>> you. You post some great shit.
>>>>
>>>> Will you ever grasp and acknowledge the main fact that these hi-res
>>>> REMASTERS you are posting are superior to the original CD releases and
>>>> therefore make even better sounding MP3's? You really should learn to
>>>> listen with your ears rather than with your eyes looking at numbers and
>>>> waveforms.
>>>>
>>>> You've been told repeatedly by more than one "converter" that the FLACs
>>>> are played at home as FLACs and on the road as MP3s. Do you not get
>>>> that either? If not, then you've got one thick head and one stubborn
>>>> fucking attitude with a healthy dose of audio snobbery sprinkled in for
>>>> good measure.
>>>>
>>>> If I haven't personally thanked you, then seriously, THANK YOU for
>>>> posting all that you do.
>>>
>>> Your welcome! Guess I'll keep going?
>>
>> No one asked you to stop.
>
> To all: these comments are not meant to stoke the fires but to try &
> make, what I believe are, salient points.
>
> Firstly, these groups are for everybody. They can essentially download
> whatever they want to & then do whatever they want with the files. End
> of story no matter what any of our personal preferences are. My
> personal approach is to have a copy of the Hi Res for home use & make
> MP3s for the car if there is an appreciable difference in 'master' from
> any copies I already own. Whilst I wish playing & being able to
> appreciate Hi Res audio in my car was feasible, it isn't hence my
> approach.
>
> @[HELL_mary]. A couple of points if you bear with me:
>
> 1) the remasters that you speak of are typically also available on the
> non-HD & lossy groups. It makes sense that if you *only* want to
> listen to music in those formats that you download from them rather
> than this group to save the 'global bandwidth' as it were.
>
> 2) I think you are playing the remaster card too strongly: many of the
> files posted (including, I think the majority of d(-_-) Who?'s posts -
> please correct me if I'm wrong) are NOT remasters. The majority of
> them are old vinyl discs that have not been remastered. They are
> therefore likely to be different to the MP3s that are commonly
> available from download sites & CD rips. Therefore, I think that the
> gist of your point is correct (i.e. they will sound 'different') but I
> think you got the argument the wrong way round.
>
> Regards,
>
> AWS
PS just to add: I appreciate everything posted on these groups unless
it is virus infected garbage or passworded. And that is true even if I
don't like the particular music: it's because someone has gone to the
effort of getting hold of the music and/or ripping it and then posting
it for all of us.
It is appreciated.
Apart from anything by Phil Collins, of course. That should all be
sent to the big Recycle Bin in the sky.
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