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On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 07:10:44 -0800, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>On 2016-03-08 14:08:24 +0000, frank@thehowards.ca said:
>
>> On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 00:11:15 -0800, "Bob (not my real pseudonym)"
>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 10:03:06 -0800, Savageduck
>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2016-03-07 14:27:22 +0000, frank@thehowards.ca said:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 19:12:19 -0600, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This picture is included in a display at the USAF Museum to honour
>>>>> Australia's contribution to a USAF fighter wing in the Korean War.
>>>>
>>>> Along with the Australians there was the South African AF SAAF 2nd
>>>> Sqdrn which started out in F-51D's and then converted to F-86's.
>>>
>>> During a visit to Mojave, CA back in 1986, I saw four ex-SAAF Sabres
>>> in "kit form" stored between buildings. Still in full camo and
>>> markings.
>>>
>>> Hard to get photos, and I was suffering from a raging case of Jerry
>>> Brown's Revenge. TMI.
>>
>> Nitpicky me!
>>
>> This is really a Canadair CL13B Sabre Mk6 (powered by an Avro Canada
>> Orenda) and would not have seen action in Korea. (First flight of the
>> Mk 6 was November 1954.)
>>
>> The USAF loaned SAAF a number of F86Fs to replace their F51s in Korea.
>> After the cease-fire (I hate to say "end of hostilities") these were
>> returned to the USA.
>
>Correct. The 20 loaner F-86's, minus 4 lost in combat were returned to
>the US when the SAAF unit returned to South Africa in 1954. The SAAF
>then had several squadrons of Canadair Sabres in service until the
>mid-1960's.
>
>> What I don't understand is why any Canadian-built Sabres were returned
>> to the USA unless, of course, the US funded their construction.
>
>There were some very odd Cold War funding arrangements in the 50s and
>60's. Those made for South Africa were some of the oddest due to the
>arms embargo in place. The SAAF managed to get a few Buccaneers before
>the UK stopped delivery of the full order. The back door was wide open,
>and with French, Italian and Israeli deals the SAAF got Mirage IIIs,
>South African built Aermacchi's, and the co-developed, Dassault Mirage
>derived, Kfir-Cheetah.
Another odd arrangement, probably also a funding issue, was painting
RAF Canadair Sabres into USAF colours for their delivery flight to the
Italian AF.
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