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Baby Face 2 _sitkaman repost.txt
This was the 196th post made to abdec. It was posted by Chicken on Sep 4, 2004.
I don't have any of the original NFO or cover files that might have posted with this film.
Produced in 1986. English. Run time of 1:17:20. DVD size of 4435.464192 MB
This is a VCA NTSC DVD.
Ozone reposted this post on July 12, 2007
Solly reposted this post on June 26, 2009 and June 23, 2012
Hellblazer posted the "Blue One" version (see Denaniel explanation below) on Sept 17, 2012
Posted January 8, 2015 by sitkaman.
IAFD entry
http://www.iafd.com/title.rme/title=Baby+Face+2/year=1986/baby-face-2.htm
Baby Face 2 (1986)
Also Known As: Alex de Renzy's Baby Face 2, Babyface 2
Distributor: VCA
Compilation: No
Director: Alex DeRenzy
Minutes: 78
All-Girl: No
All-Male: No
Actresses
Candie Evens
Careena Collins
Kristara Barrington [BJOnly Facial]
Lois Ayres [Facial]
Lynn Franciss
Melissa Melendez
Stacey Donovan
Taija Rae
NonSex Performers
Marion Eaton
Unknown Female 324
Actors
Dick Rambone
Francois
Jamie Gillis
Jerry Butler
Kevin James
Marc Wallice
Tom Byron
NonSex Performers
Unknown Male 324
Comments
Scene Breakdowns
Scene 1. Lois Ayres, Kevin James
Scene 2. Melissa Melendez, Kevin James
Scene 3. Candie Evens, Tom Byron
Scene 4. Careena Collins, Jamie Gillis
Scene 5. Lynn Franciss, Marc Wallice
Scene 6. Stacey Donovan, Taija Rae
Scene 7. Lois Ayres
Scene 8. Kristara Barrington
Scene 9. Taija Rae, Jerry Butler
Scene 10. Lois Ayres, Marc Wallice
Scene 11. Kristara Barrington, Kevin James
Scene 12. Careena Collins, Jamie Gillis
Scene 13. Taija Rae, Tom Byron
Scene 14. Stacey Donovan, Francois
Scene 15. Lynn Franciss, Dick Rambone
Denaniel on VEF provided an excellent recap of the plot and history of this movie. I've cut and pasted it below.
http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?t=93771
Unless you were lucky enough to see this film in the theatre back in the 1980's, you probably haven't seen the complete film.
Video Company of America's DVD and videotape versions (old and new) apparently are all missing footage that appeared in the original. Edit: Thanks to DARPA for pointing out that an early videotape release probably has the missing footage, including some dialogue that is missing from the final scene in both DVD versions. See his reply (#9) below.
Blue One DVD (formerly Alpha France), who hold the French rights to the film, recently released a "restored" version of Baby Face 2 that has the missing footage -- and which looks fabulous, with superb picture quality -- but unfortunately it is also missing a lot of other footage that is in VCA's American release.
The restored version
After much trial and error, and a lot of hard work, I managed to combine the best of both versions into one homemade, composite, "uncut" version that I am happy to share with all of you.
What's in the missing footage
The missing footage shows Kristara Barrington fucking herself with a candle in her pussy (the censored version has no close-ups of the insertion) and also footage of Jamie Gillis using nipple clamps on Careena Collins' tits and pussy lips, and spanking/slapping her pussy and butt. The final scene has some surprises too. See my notes below for more details.
If you've already seen the film
If you've already watched the VCA version and just want to see the censored bits, I've also uploaded a compilation of the missing footage (111 MB, 05:40)
http://rapidshare.com/files/325914452/Babyface-cuts.rar
VCA runs 01:17:20 NTSC without intro and end credits
Blue One runs 01:01:45 PAL = 01:04:20 NTSC (13 min. shorter)
My vid runs 01:14:39 PAL = 01:17:46 NTSC (26 sec. longer)
Comparing the three versions, we have to allow for PAL speedup (about 4%). NTSC (North America, Japan) takes 24 fps film and adds additional frames to run 29.97 fps with no change in perceived speed. PAL (Europe and much of the world) takes 24 fps film and speeds it up slightly to run at 25 fps. The same film with no editing will have a shorter running time at PAL speed than NTSC.
Download
1.06 GB -- 01:14:43 -- XviD -- 656x480
Three download options
1. Single click download at 1fichier
http://5fdbmf.1fichier.com
password: Denaniel
The single .rar file includes 3% recovery data.
2. Four smaller files at rapidshare
Code:
http://www.rapidshare.com/files/440353912/BabFa2_86.part1.rar
http://www.rapidshare.com/files/440353925/BabFa2_86.part2.rar
http://www.rapidshare.com/files/440354012/BabFa2_86.part3.rar
http://www.rapidshare.com/files/440354033/BabFa2_86.part4.rar
password: Denaniel3. Same four files at packupload
http://www.packupload.com/Y4SKA8EY1D2
http://www.packupload.com/PIPBDRH7BHS
http://www.packupload.com/6ISESKSDTRJ
http://www.packupload.com/RTRRJ5GZ1DT
password: Denaniel
These RAR files include 2% recovery data.
Released: 1986
Distributors: VCA (USA) and Blue One (France)
Director: Alex DeRenzy
Actresses
* Candie Evens
* Careena Collins [Nipple clamps on tits and pussy]
* Kristara Barrington [Facial, Candle in pussy]
* Lois Ayres [Facial]
* Lynn Franciss
* Melissa Melendez
* Stacey Donovan
* Taija Rae
Actors
* Dick Rambone
* Francois
* Jamie Gillis
* Jerry Butler
* Kevin James
* Marc Wallice
* Tom Byron
Scene Breakdowns
* Scene 1. Lois Ayres, Kevin James
* Scene 2. Melissa Melendez, Kevin James
* Scene 3. Candie Evens, Tom Byron
* Scene 4. Careena Collins, Jamie Gillis [Nipple clamps, Spanking]
* Scene 5. Lynn Franciss, Marc Wallice
* Scene 6. Stacey Donovan, Taija Rae
* Scene 7. Lois Ayres
* Scene 8. Kristara Barrington [Candle in pussy]
* Scene 9. Taija Rae, Jerry Butler
* Scene 10. Lois Ayres, Marc Wallice
* Scene 11. Kristara Barrington, Kevin James
* Scene 12. Careena Collins, Jamie Gillis
* Scene 13. Taija Rae, Tom Byron
* Scene 14. Stacey Donovan, Francois
* Scene 15. Lynn Franciss, Dick Rambone
*******************************************
My notes
This is one of the hottest films of the mid-1980's. Despite the weirdness of the plot, the sex scenes are long and the sexual energy builds to a crescendo of smoking hot intensity.
A young Candie Evens narrates from her lawn chair, and she has one hot scene early in the film with Tom Byron. For some reason, Blue One cut nearly all of Candie's narration bits, leaving only her opening and closing, both of which were cut short. I used the VCA footage for all of Candie's narration, which helps to explain the plot and is entertaining in its own right.
Warnings
If you've never watched this film, don't read the rest of these notes, they will only spoil your enjoyment of the film. Watch it first, then come back and read the rest. (Trust me on this.)
Also, because the Blue One footage is much brighter and more colorful than VCA's, the jumping back and forth between sources is sometimes rather abrupt. I tried to make the shifts happen at natural scene changes whenever possible, but a few times I had to switch in the middle of a scene to keep everything in sync.
About the VCA cuts
The censored footage that VCA cut from the film is not really that big a deal. I find it hard to believe that anyone who watches normal, "vanilla" porn would find any of the censored footage objectionable. A candle instead of a dildo, seen moving in and out of a girl's pussy? A couple of small nipple clamps on a girl's tits and pussy lips? A little light spanking/slapping of her pussy? Why VCA felt they had to remove these scenes is hard to fathom.
About the Blue One cuts
Blue One cut out a lot more than Candie's narration. They cut part of the scene at the beginning of the film, when Lois and Kevin are in his white Camero by the river, and they decide go to "the shed" to have sex. Part of their conversation in the car and part of their arrival at the shed is missing. Blue One cuts from the car to the shed at a point when the two are undressing, but all of the sex footage is retained.
Blue One also removed over four minutes just after the girls' party begins, including the scene where Kevin, Tom and Marc are hanging out by the side of the road deciding what to do for the evening, and Candie and Melissa show up in their bathing suits. Kevin invites the girls to come over for a swim and a hot tub, and Tom is eager to join in, but Mark makes an excuse about homework, so the others leave him behind.
Cut back to the girls party, and we see Lori playing with a vibrator (her clothes are still on, however) and Stacey and Taija are chewing on edible panties, trying out the different flavors. Then Lynn attacks Taija with a double-headed dildo between her legs and pretends to fuck her with it, as Taija moans with faked and exagerrated pleasure. Meanwhile, Careena and Lori are using the vibrator on each other, still clothed and mostly non-sexual, though there is a bit of tease and hints of sexual play.
The beauty of this scene is that we can see the girls are having fun "pretending" to have sex with each other, although its clear that they are not really practicing lesbians (or bisexuals). But later, when they are bewitched by Jamie's "magic spell" and overcome with lust, they will get to act out all of their sapphic and kinky fantasies.
The hot tub scene
The second sex scene starts off with Candie, Melissa, Kevin and Tom in the hot tub. I won't spoil the whole scene, because it's got some cute surprises, all I'm going to say is that if you're a fan of Candie Evens, this will be a real treat. The focus is on Candie and Tom, and they have nice chemistry that builds into some very hot sex. I posted a clip of Candie's scene in her thread.
At this point, Candie narrates again, telling us that Marc is a sneaky guy, and he didn't join the other four for a reason that had nothing to do with homework. He wanted to spy on the girls' party. We see him outside the house snooping, and inside we see Careena watching a porn video, with a stack of porn tapes in front of her.
Porn trivia quiz
Can you name the film that Careena is watching? (We never actually see it, we can only hear a short bit of dialogue. Hint: all of the videos in the stack are by the same director that made Baby Face 1 & 2.)
The party continues
While Careena is watching porn, Lynn is closing the curtains and sees Marc outside peeping on them. Lori is still playing with the vibrator and Taija catches her at it, sits down next to her with some champagne and watches, intrigued. At this point Blue One rejoins the party scene. Lynn goes outside and tells Marc to get away before someone catches him. He pretends to leave but goes back to peeping through the window. Finally, Stacey gathers the girls together and announces Careena's bridal shower is about to begin. They blindfold Careena and bring out a huge cake, which you can probably guess contains a male stripper ready to jump out of the cake. But the real surprise is that the stripper is a slovenly, unshaven Jamie Gillis with a cheap beer, a smoky cigar and tacky underwear.
More cuts by Blue One
Blue One also cut part of Jamie's striptease. Some of you guys will probably consider that a blessing, but many of us find his whole striptease scene quite funny. It's a tribute to Jamie's acting skills that very few actors could pull off what he does in this scene. In fact, the point at which he first comes out of the cake is really a turning point in the film. The comic relief mixed with suspense and tension in Jamie's scene is a prelude to the upcoming bizarre and freaky orgy, and the dramatic change in mood is skillfully played.
The orgy
I'm not going to say too much, because at least some of the film should surprise you. I will say that this is about the halfway point, and the sex just keeps on going, with one short intermission, for almost the entire remainder of the film. The atmosphere is intense but also a bit campy, and there are some very funny moments mixed in with the smoking hot sex. Most of the girls are unusually sexy in this film, but I have to say that Taija's scene with Tom Byron is probably the hottest one in the entire film. I already posted a clip of the scene in Taija's thread.
More VCA cuts
Besides the candle and nipple clamp/spanking bits, VCA also made some cuts in the final scene, after "Granny" comes home in her wheelchair and breaks up the party. So far, the only thing connecting this film to the first Baby Face, besides the title, was the poster on the wall above the TV. Okay, so Granny also happens to look a lot like an older version of the actress who played the crazy lady called "The Nutcracker" in Baby Face 1.
Connecting the two films
If you've seen the first film, you can't possibly forget the scene when Ms. Nutcracker wraps up Big Dan from head to toe in shrink wrap (on the bed, immobilizing him) and then, after riding his cock and making him cum, threatens to cut his balls off with a kitchen knife. In the VCA version of Baby Face 2, you might have noticed that Granny has a roll of shrink wrap in her hands, but she never uses it. In the restored footage in Blue One's release, we see Jamie Gillis all wrapped up in shrink wrap (his hands and arms immobilized) and he's jumping up and down -- just like Dan in the first film. This is the only "clear" connection to the first film, and *why* VCA chose to cut it out is another mystery.
The editing of this final scene is haphazard in both versions. I wonder if there was more to the scene in the original theatrical release. Does anyone remember seeing this in the theater?
Names are easy to remember
One thing you may have noticed about this film, that is true of a few others I've seen, is that nearly all of the characters' names are the same as the performers' names. So Taija plays "Taija" (TAY-zha, not TIE-zha, btw). Makes it a little easier to follow the story.
File specs
XviD
1.06 GB
01:14:43
656x480
1900 kbps
25.00 fps
PAL 4:3
Qf 0.242 bits/pixel
audio: mp3, 128 kbps CBR, stereo, 44.1 KHz
French VHS-rip in post #15
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