In reply to "m2" who wrote the following:
> We all evolve all the time, and sometimes what we think the truth is,
> flips sides, even back and forth... reality is complicated, and
> deciding how to react to whatever it is we think we are seeing is also
> subject to constant re-evaluation and re-consideration...
>
> and thus, this morning, as I awoke, I found my mind in turmoil over
> how I was responding to something. I mentioned yesterday that I had
> started something, but didn't like how it was playing out, and used
> the word "wordy" implying it was turning into a very long story, of
> little benefit, either to you guys or to me, I'm sure. I'll leave it
> intact below, and then proceed to explain the change of attitude and
> heart.
>
> On Fri, 01 Feb 2019 09:57:38 GMT, RIB <rib@rack.com> wrote:
> > I was brought up to be a devout christian, receiving a church school
> > education.
> > It didn't take me as long as you to realize that creationism and science
are
> > not compatible. I was a confirmed atheist by the time I turned 17. I like
> > and
> > practice christian values but that's it for me.Spike and I will always lend
> > you
> > an ear if you feel the need :-) I'll take a look at that account if Spike
> > isn't
> > interested.
> >
> > RIB.
>
> I'm not sure "good morrow" is a proper phrase, but my favorite version
> of Romeo+Juliet was by Baz Luhrman, and my memory thinks that's
> something I heard in the dialog... (nevermind, I'm talking out loud to
> myself, i suppose, something i actually do all day, helps me think
> since I'm continually having to solve puzzles and figure things out)
>
> Thank you much for sharing about this... matter of fact, my experience
> was very much the same as yours, except maybe it was 16 for me when I
> would use the word "confirmed atheist" and yes, I ALWAYS believed
> creationism was not compatible with sanity, much less science... and
> like today, I was always an evangelist about it, writing essays and
> passing them around in class to influence my fellow students... but a
> funny thing happened, not amusing, but queer, on my way to
> adulthood... too many long stories, but in short, well, hard to make
> it too short and still make sense... i mentioned that i consider
> myself a philosopher, even from childhood, but especially as a teen,
> reading books and trying to figure out reality and existence. While I
> was still going to church, maybe 14 or so, they showed the youth group
> a film about drugs, and I immediately wanted to get some LSD once I
> knew about it, but i didn't know anybody outside my church friends,
> and drugs were not around at all at that time, but it wouldnt be many
> years before it was avaliable. heroin never was appealing, even if it
> had been free... anyhow, i loved acid. I didn't do it a huge number
> of times, maybe 20? maybe less, it was weird and crazy and i loved
> the
>
> -------------- end of what i had written previously
>
> It is complicated how we make up and change our minds, and for years,
> since becoming an atheist, I have blamed my teenage drug use for
> softening my thinking, but it's much more complex when I think about
> it. Not to make this a long story either, but it was a host of
> influences that were "in the air" so to speak, when I started college.
> There were all different kinds of religious cults popping up all over
> the place, so while I hated the deadness of the church I had been
> raised in, and never considered the fundy-creationist churches...
> well, let's say I was biased against christianity, and saw it as
> hypocrisy and fraud, and was leaning towards eastern mysticism for a
> while, considering re-incarnation... anyway, all the different
> philosophies I studied and interacted with would speak highly of Jesus
> as a great master, so it was possible to think of him apart from the
> churches that claimed to represent him.
>
> Problem is, not to blame drugs, but just the fact that I'm somewhat
> naieve and trusting, as I'm a very honest type, and tend to believe
> others when they seem to be speaking honestly. many long stories
> later, yada yada, and one night I came to a mental crossroads. I
> hated this experience called life, as we live in a dark reality of
> frauds and liars and greed and wicked insanity and cruelty, yada yada,
> and life is so unpredictably short no matter how long you live, death
> is waiting... since everyone seemed to think so highly of Jesus, that
> while I hated christianity, I saw Jesus as my most likely path to
> enlightenment, "cosmic consciousness" or whatever it was... I still
> was believing in reincarnation at the time, but decided to start
> reading the Bible again and to give Jesus 100% of myself, as opposed
> to flipping between different views of reality, as I had been doing
> for a couple of years. long stories again, but that lead me into the
> perfect cult for me, one that actually understood and practiced what
> Jesus preached, as much that is possible in today's world, or rather,
> the world of the middle 1970's, when cults were everywhere, moonies,
> hari-krishnas, etc... the point of all this was that I got distracted
> by things, consumed by things, and overlooked the creationist issue,
> as the cult I had joined was very pro-science in its understanding,
> and very pro-truth and hatred of falsehood, so it was like I had found
> my own kind, after years of being all alone in my understandings...
> except that it wasn't quite like that, I just thought it was...
> because it was, partly, but only on the surface... so if only
> someone had challenged me about the creationist issue, they could have
> saved me 35 years of stupidity, but that never happened, because
> nobody much cares about real truth and real reverence to propagate it
> and attack all false ways... because..... because... So here's the
> change of heart and mind that I awoke with:
>
> Rib, you describe yourself as an atheist who likes and practices what
> you call "christian values"... My first reaction was to agree with
> you somehow, and say I am the same way, because I do claim that now,
> that I am an atheist who still follows the way of Jesus, a dead man.
> But I know the Bible intimately, having read it cover to cover several
> times and studied it in detail for decades...
>
> but that's not at all what you mean by "christian values."
>
> I don't know what you mean, specifically, because all christians on
> all sides would say the same words and mean opposing things, like one
> group thinks homosexuality should be illegal, if not a capital crime,
> as the Bible teaches. Slavery is also acceptable in the christian
> bible.
>
> Another group thinks it's okay to be homosexual, but still claims it
> is their chrsitian values that motivate their thinking... So rather
> than try to agree with you on the surface, and try to influence you to
> see my rendition of what true christian values must be, according to
> Jesus's teachings, or my understanding of those teachings... I've
> been down that road too many times... rather, I should challenge you
> to explain and defend exactly what you mean by that, because almost
> certainly, I could demonstrate to you, if you would listen, how you
> have been deceived by proganda and falsehood into substituting
> bullshit into what you think are the values promoted by Jesus.
> Thus christian values is the white-wash that hides gross wickedness
> under a cloak of respectability...
>
> So my minds says that I must challenge you, except that I can almost
> guarantee that you wouldn't be interested, because you like your life
> the way it is, and who cares anyway, life is short, you dont need my
> "truth" as your truth is true enough for you... and that kind of
> interaction is what I've been thru a zillioin times, after pouring
> myself out with long explanations trying to prove this or that to
> someone not interested in my boring waddle of words and biblical
> teachings...
>
> does that make sense? i dont say this to offend you, but i always
> seem to offend everyone, once I start explaining anything specific to
> anyone in particular, who reverences their pride and esteem more than
> cold unflattering truth... truth, huh, what is it good for! (misquote
> from a song about "war")
>
> thus my isolation, and solitude, to prevent wasting myself on deaf
> ears...
>
> so Spike, i'm sorry to be such a flake, but think i should just bail
> out now, unsubscribe and forget this whole chapter of my life, and
> keep the account i mentioned for future downloads... :(
>
> what can i say. i'm sorry. life still sux...
>
> I wont disconnect today, and will gladly wait to read any responses,
> but it's cool if you dont want to bother making any. I need to
> re-read Spike's last message, as there may be other things I want to
> respond to, but this is it for today.
>
> i still like you guys and apprecaite all the ways you helped me along
> the way and for all the content you posted, that i still have not
> watched, but may eventually, if i live long enuff...
>
> peace and love be with you,
>
> and Spike, I hope you can survive long enough to find other pleasures
> to help you abandon the nasty tobacco fix for a more healthy fix...
>
> but to each his/her own
>
> blessings to you both, not that blesing are worth much, but it's the
> thought that counts, supposedly.
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You are overthinking what I was saying. How about " If you can't do someone a
favour then don't do them a disfavour" type of christian values? There - sorted
in a sentance.
I've been ill for a few days so sorry I haven't replied to your 3D questions
before now. What do you mean by small? Most good affordable (hobby)printers
will go down to a resolution of 0.8 mm which will give quite stunning detail on
the right model.
Because of the way they work 3D printers have quite a large footprint. My two
average 20x16x18 inches.You can get printers a lot smaller but cost a lot more
for some reason. Prit size iv ery limited too (They largely use the same parts)
If you are handy at building things the you can buy a kit and build it yourself
and save yourself a bomb in the process.
I have an Anet A8 which I built from kit form and prints really well. A MUCH
easier printer to assemble and one which gives excellent results is my Creality
Ender 3 If you want a ready buit printer you can get them but cost roughly
twice as much. No point in giving you prices because they fluctuate all the
time.
Spike! -- This info is for you as well buddy :-)
RIB.
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