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Subject: Re: Everywhere lost - EVERYONE PLEASE READ
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Pixie <Pixie@AnnWheatley.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:01:51 +0000, LittleMissMe!!
><LittleMissMe!!@email.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:48:38 +1000, Gwen <gwen@home.invalid> wrote in:
>><qqimi4h3h9q48f2lrdeaerrdmc8ni2sqkm@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>
>>>Look really I am done in understanding what I am wanted to do!
>>
>You and most others it seems.
>You seem to be doing pretty well for someone who doesn't understand.
>You are using .invalid in your fake email - tick.
>You are using Agent - tick.
>You are using a pretty stable, and free, server - tick.
>Looks to me like you are reading and understanding pretty well.
>
>>>All autumn I looked and followed wishing to have a way to give
>>>something will someone please explain in simple words just how it is I
>>>read messages on download for this forum who say we need 10000 lines
>>>for post and then I see posts from maggy and littlkemissme for 130000
>>>lines 170000 lines and they are being told by smart these posts are
>>>great?
>>
>Unfortunately true.
>They are not "great"...
>Equally unfortunately, Servers are having to "dumb down" so that bad
>posting arrives. Otherwise nothing would.
>This just perpetuates bad posting.
>
>>>DH said to change the news route. I did this?
>>
>Ummmmm... nowhere in the Tute did it say to ask DH ....
>/grin....
>Men won't turn the map to point in the right direction either....
>Tis why the SatNav has a FEMALE voice......
>"She" knows where she is going.....rofl...
>But I digress.
>This is not a Man Bashing exercise, specially considering the efforts
>of one particular Man to help this group in the past.
>
>>>When a friend posts I got this thanks, I am lost! Where is it?
>>
>The original post? Dunno.
>
>>>Every time. What is this? The yenc does not work
>>
>It is working in your Agent. Agent can decipher yEnc.
>Yes, yEnc is a bugbear for this group as many insist on posting using
>buggered versions of PowerPost.
>There are problems with packing the post as well.
>There are many reasons why posts fall over.
>
>>>Why to are some posting tiny designs for the funny thing in
>>>from yenc and having thanks posted from gurus?
>>
>That is not happening from any Guru.
>The "gurus" all left the group. Quite possibly screaming into the
>sunset and pulling their hair out...
>Those that "knew" got peeved with those determined to destroy this
>group with bad posting. "I will post how I want and stuff you" is a
>common attitude.
>They took their knowledge and they disappeared.
> :-<
>
>>>Crazy forum or am I stupid or what?
>>
>Uuummmmm........
>
>>>I'm look I want to post my stash how?
>>
>Download the Posting Tools posted by Macronesus.
>The Tute in that is very comprehensive and friendly.
>Any terms you may not understand?
>Ask.
>Posting posts and then asking - is too late.
>
>Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:00:56 -0600
>Message-ID: <l3r1i4p23ecn0lovqnp8ukl8lcdmvghs83@4ax.com>
>If you double click on the above MID, it will take you to the post if
>you do not have it.
>
>>>Lost Cconfused Crazy
>>>HELP
>>
>>Hiya Hun
>>and sorry I don't understand everything you have written here?
>>but I followed the tutorials that are posted here and asked for help when I
>>didn't understand something and Pixie really helped with the splitting
>>rar's
>> don't understand the yenc and read it isn't needed here?
>>
>There are two formats to post, LMM. You are using Uuencode.
>There are groups where yEnc is preferred. This is mainly because the
>posts are HUGE. yEnc creates a smaller post.
>Why it was not "supported" in this group, is that the posts are not
>usually big enough to warrant this format.
>Those using it,that think it is the "Second Coming", have no idea what
>they are talking about in relation to the posting needs of this group.
>
>Why yEnc causes/caused so much angst with newbies is that Outlook
>Express does not understand it. And newbies are very fond of using
>their email program to read newsgroups.
>It's for email, not for newsgroups.
>They don't understand why they can't see half of what is being posted.
>They may see the "thank you's", but they can't see the post.
>Outlook Express can be tweaked to "see" yEnc, but why not just use the
>Tools that are posted?
>Everything that is needed to get started in this group is packed in
>those Tools.
>Reading is the only requirement.
>There is a glitch where you may have to have Winrar first to unpack
>the Tools, but that can be overcome.
>
>LMM, the winrar picture you are posting is only a part of what it
>takes to post. The fact that you have turned off Agent's ability to
>split the post tells me you are not really understanding what you do,
>so that when you change something you can see what you did and put it
>back by yourself.
>
>Ladies, you learnt how to use a complicated computerised sewing
>machine, or you wouldn't be in here downloading the designs for it.
>I know learning Usenet is not as much fun as sewing. But if you want
>your sewing experience to be even more fun, you have to learn how to
>get what you want out of this group.
>
>For that, you have to read and understand how Usenet works.
>The Tools will help you with that.
>I'm sorry. That is how it is. That is how anyone who learns to post
>without being flamed had to learn. On any group on Usenet, not just in
>here.
>Believe me, you would be flamed off the planet if you posted badly in
>a big group that posts music or movies.
>
>No amount of "you're mean to me" is gonna make you understand those
>Tools if you won't sit down and nut through the bits that don't mean
>anything to you at the moment.
>We aren't born knowing computers, and Mr Gates keeps changing them so
>we have to keep updating our skills.
>The good part about posting is, once you can do it, that's it. I
>haven't had to learn any new posting skills once I learnt to split
>rars and split the post.
>I have had to learn why posts are bad, simply so I can "try" and
>explain to people who don't want to read the Tools.
>And believe me, you lot have learned some really interesting ways to
>stuff up posting...../grin
>
>I don't know everything that everyone does wrong.... and I'm vewwy
>tired.... :-<
>
>>and the other day Pixie did pull me up on a post as my agent settings had
>>changed, so I just changed them back to the correct line amount,
>>
>You did??
>/sounds of crickets....
>What happened to the finger puppets yesterday then??
>Did you press "Apply" before you closed the window??
>It didn't stick.
>/grin
>
>>I also always split the rar files too
>>
>And the posting the individual splits SEPARATELY is the IMPORTANT bit!
>That is the reason why you are splitting the rar.
>The setting of Agent to split the post AGAIN is just as important.
>
>An example of why to do this is this.
>You know that 733 part Dakota post from weeks back??
>I FINALLY got that YESTERDAY...... yeah.... just yesterday.
>It was corrupted on 3 servers. And two of those servers were premium.
>It was "rejected" on those servers.
>The servers just looked at it and thought "junk" and turfed parts of
>it.
>
>IF that rar had been split and the rars posted individually, I could
>have retrieved that on a number of servers. As the pieces would have
>joined up on my harddrive as I saved them into a folder.
>This would have saved me days and days of useless downloading.
>What this means is, the odds of retrieving 733 CONSECUTIVE "clean"
>parts is slim.
>Very slim.
>By breaking up the rar as well, and posting those parts, the post
>would have been retrieved by a lot more people.
>
>AND!! And!! That post was in .dst format.
>It unpacked to 968 MEG.
>/agog
>That's almost a gig of your harddrive, Ladies.
>The CH4 folder was 15.7meg in .dst format.
>It converted to 6.28meg in .hus format. Less than a half. And that is
>jut one folder.
>Ladies - do the math and tell me your computer is not running like a
>sloth.
>Those filing all their files in .pes format are storing files 4 times
>larger than .hus. Why not just keep the ones you are using in .pes?
>And don't try and tell me you sewed all those thousands of files in
>this short space of time??
>I understand you may use .pes format. Storing your backups in .pes
>format must take you hours.
>Hands up those who back up their harddrive??
>Do I hear the sounds of crickets???
>
>>posting really isn't that hard hun,
>>
>Yes. It is.
>That is proved every day in this group.
>The reason? Because no one wants to "learn". They think they are too
>busy to learn.
>
>The mad, blind posting that happens in here atests to that.
>The Posting Tools are as basic as could be made.
>And this is not aimed at you LMM.
>I am aware of the hair pulling you endured to learn to post....
>I am also aware of how many times you said you had read the Tute....
>/grin
>Who has that Tute printed and sitting beside their console???
>More sounds of crickets.....
>
>Ladies (in general),
>The "hard" part is reading the the Tools and sitting at your console
>and learning them.
>Homework.
>Remember that at school??
>Well it is the same on USENET. Yes, Usenet as a whole.
>There is no free lunch to learning.
>These "guides" are not just airy fairy rules made up to upset the
>Ladies in this group.
>They were designed to "help" computer challenged Ladies (and a number
>of men I have seen......) where IT 1.01 was not their Major at the
>School of Life.
>Ok?
>This is NOT a niggle or a flame at those with less than a Degree in
>IT.
>I didn't go to University. I was barely allowed to finish school.
>My Mother didn't believe in education for women.
>She doesn't believe in fairies either....but I digress....
>I don't have a degree. I am a housewife. I don't work in the IT
>industry.
>I have a computer, a sewing machine and a desire to learn.
>That's it.
>You obviously have a computer and a sewing machine - where is your
>desire to learn?
>I can read and I did ask questions. And I didn't get all precious if I
>was doing something "wrong" if it meant I was going to learn how to do
>it "right".
>I asked the ONLY people who I could see were trying to help at the
>time.
>And they are all gone.... /sob
>rH is gone....... /sob
>Digi disappeared..... /sob
>5 foot 2 gave up too... /sob
>Don is missing, presumed dead........ /big sob.
>Bye bye, My Lord. Em Hotep.
>Feel free to prove me wrong, Don, your email is not bouncing. :-<
>
>Just because "some" get a post does NOT mean it was a "good" post.
>Just because ONE person said "thanks" does NOT mean it was a "good"
>post.
>
>The Posting Tools have been posted so many times that everyone should
>have them.
>
>The responsibility is up to the Ladies who do not understand why they
>are being "flamed" to read it.
>
>------------------
>Line Size??
>See my writing? Line size is the number of lines of text. If I posted
>a post and only wrote enough words to make one line, then my line size
>would display as "1" (most likely).
>When you post a huge post, it is broken into "code" and the "code"
>takes up lines -
>
>M])G;0VK97KGZ^U\>E`8X&BRQ^3A8(0B6\G'GYUNHJ=ZP(SDU)J(S=G?^_N<O
>M\45U%V]\P0#N-XY/\.EW..4.]X?'E@TV61OT?!9LS2(?<Y^=P@2>5G8N;BX<
>MZ_56NE4^S&D.Z%E;3,;Q[`.\"/XTGC^K^[]]A1^@3FSD#CT#E9/'JYLFLO/5
>
>The above would be 3 lines.... etc.
>IE, everything you write, or attach, becomes a "line" in the post.
>------------------
>
>
>>if you can get agent (has been posted here several times) then its simple
>>in simple terms I'd say its just like sending a email and attaching a file.
>>
>Noooooooooooo........
>There are things to do BEFORE you attach it.
>You know this LMM!! You were doing this "simple" thing and getting
>into all sorts of trouble in the first place!!
>
>>I have attached the pick I used for splitting rars
>>hth
>>ME x
>
>I don't know what more to do to help you Ladies.
>It's like you don't want help.
>I can't reach in to each and every one of your computers and change
>your settings for you. Everyone's computer is different.
>It won't help you understand what you are doing.
>
>Most of you would be Mothers. Your first child didn't come with a hand
>book, but you didn't just throw your hands in the air and say it was
>all too hard... ok.... mebbe some of you did.....
>
>I don't know how to help when all anyone sees are designs and run off
>in a mad daze chasing them.
>As a group, you don't care how you post them and you don't care how
>you get them, as long as you get them.
>I'm thinking a lot of you aren't getting them without a lot of hassle.
>It doesn't have to be this way.
>
>I don't know what else to do without sounding like a broken record.
>The "I can post no matter how bad it is" posters are too loud.
>
>If people really want help, real help, get the Tools and start helping
>yourself.
>
>Pixie :-((
The yenc thing nobody here understands or can fix, Pixie.
Agent holers error detected save or leave. DH goes scrimmy and deletes
files using yenc. I wonder what they were? A bad day
baking is not fun to dispose.
You write all good advise, I print text not the helps, I will do more
now.
Fairies I have plenty in the grove they sit on the deer leave us
many funny twiddles. The deer are gone now with the fairies in our
loft being happy. You are kind be happy to.
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