On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 21:36:23 +1000, tazoar <tazoar@me.lft.nut.invalid>
wrote:
>"Bill" wrote;
>>bluerope <bluerope@bluerope> wrote:
>>
>>>A few years ago, there was a person in this group
>>>who was extremely rude and foul-mouth to just about
>>>everyone. I'm sure he had something do to with people
>>>leaving. Now that he is gone, hopefully the people will
>>>come back.
>>
>>That's not how usenet works.
>>
>Indeed so... however never will you (Bill) generate editorial sufficient
>to change BR's contention, even if you did do a fair German/Dutch :-)
>
>>People subscribe to newsgroups that have content of
>>interest to them.
>>
>You should be aware, Bill, "alt.sewing.mach-embroider" was the
>sister froup for ABCP. Discussions such as this one were encouraged
>in that froup. Like (all) the suggestions coming from those who knew that
>one too was largely ignored.
>
>>People unsubscribe when the content they seek is not
>>being posted.
>>
>Or the music is not what they want THEIR Band for, Bill :-)
>
>This ABCP audience - plenty of lurkers about, be sure -
>wants your jocks, socks and hairpiece(rug)...stick the guitar where
>it fits best, applies !
>In short, the audience flogs the willing, ignoring _any_ hints or tips
>on joining in. As you will note, not even a slow handclap from BR on the
>advice you did work at so as to enlighten the lady.
>
>I note "Herb" is. also absent in dispatches, dude finally saw the light
>I guess :-/
>
>[caveat]
>I can count on one hand those subscribers - in more than 5 years
>of "5foot2", "Pixie" and myself posting tutorials - who got on board with
>learning the ropes.. that hand being a few digits short !
>
>>Very few subscribers post anything.
>>
>At it's heyday of around 200 useful posts per 24hrs max
>ABCP binary was generated by 6 posters max. Of that six two had some
>idea on posting. NONE had the picture yourself and I share,, and know
>to be as efficient _and_ safe as it can be.
>Like you I have posted Gigs of binary to groups over more than 20 years.
>My postings likely made possible by listening to those you guided and
>taking a few whacks to the head in hearing Vrod & A'advark chide my
>errors. Excellent tutors, I remember most respectfully.
>
>The folks who did care for group content were - and I dare say are today -
>well outnumbered by the "I want it now, where is it" crowd we both know,
>everywhere.
>Back then the group was clogged with disconnected (to upload) bleats for
>reposts, and whines from msOE (ab)users around posted format.
>Largely the trash binary consisted of unworkable OBZ posts and the
>obligatory (for some) zips within zips often zipped yet again to post!
>Digitised designs are already compressed for transport, a wrapper to 'hide'
>is all that is needed.
>In short lots of traffic with little working content. Some saw that chaos
>as their best option over a choice of what was the actual useful content -
>being posted at low volumes - making the NG readable and coherent.
>
>A set posted so all could retrieve it then, or in six months, meant nothing
>to the majority. Unless there was a binary file attached MOST never saw the
>post nf0 text or were even remotely interested in an archive description or
>advice on how to unpack/install.
>I will bet still today most ignore text only posts unless the text is a
>followup to their personal request.
>
>>Rude, foul-mouthed posters are usually called trolls.
>>
>You should know ABCP was across three language groups.
>Few had a grip on English - see my opening comment as to BR's language
>skills.
>Add to that the very short wick our European subscribers own and
>"foul-mouthed"(sic) becomes wholly subjective.
>I make some allowance in knowing some genuine hopefuls may have not thought
>to look closely at the butthurt types flaming posters and those so inclined
>to bewilder some with nym hijacks.
>All been done before in other places, sure, however ABCP could not sustain
>such antics.
>
>>Trolls in and of themselves do not chase off posters.
>>
>When the content posted is workable, sure. When it is trash most get
>disconcerted very quickly on seeing bleats for reposts as the only reward.
>What is left are the hard-nosed who are just as likely to do some trolling
>themselves.
>
>>Spam does not chase off posters.
>>
>Very little SPAM gets to ABCP. There is a specific Usenet reason for that
>anomaly, I wont go there in explaining it yet again.
>In short, SPAMbots/webcrawlers cannot 'see' ABCP.
>
>>DMCA complaints and harassment do chase off posters.
>>
>Add NetCop activity to that - for ABCP.
>One Kanuck abuser comes to mind, his task made easy as few listened
>to advice on how to hide..preferring to not do that work.
>
>>Life's little surprises do chase off posters.
>>
>I ceased posting (months) before I unsubbed - dumping my list of server
>options.
>Like you I gave it near on 10 years of trying before recognising times had
>changed. Then there was one of those surprises you mention so I shot the
>whole show.
>Now, some years later, and several relocations to find and build a new
>property (farm/ranch in your lingo), Life has been busy with no window
>opening to change my mind on this NG.
>Like BR and many others I have Gigs of the embroid stuff, and,, like a very
>few, actually learnt to CAD embroider with initial help from "Don" (RIP)
>and quality control by "Pixie".
>
>Examples on fileshare link... I have no binary upload path today.
>
>design --- http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=00161576678125899281
>pix --------- http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=47244321306212880555
>
>>Posters owe you nothing, be grateful for any useful
>>posts.
>>
>And not forgetting _most_ great posters do so simply for the Life of a NG
>in which they have an interest. IF this NG had showed any sign of a
>turn-a-round I would have remained posting after my first released series
>went out to sale.
>
>>To attract posters with content that's worth the
>>subscription, you need to provide them with an
>>obvious place to post. You need to find people
>>to handle the other newsgroup chores - answering
>>questions, guiding offtopic posts elsewhere and
>>so on.
>>
>All been done, Bill, at length.
>Literally thousands of hours spent by a few members just to hold back an
>encroaching tide of apathetic belligerence.
>
>I believe it is way too late today to attempt revival, the whole embroid
>industry has changed significantly, and anyhow way too risky for
>USA/GB/NZ/AUS based posters to post any sets of commercial value.
>
>What could have saved ABCP was turning to sharing our own work.
>However whilst sewers here are quick to edit an embroidery design the work
>to build one is beyond most. To then give that work away to an audience
>totally disconnected, hoping one day _your request_ be filled, is a concept
>I doubt anyone reading this NG even entertains.
>Like "Don", a poster/designer could die in the saddle never having seen
>anyone else posting cottage work. And that is the quality of work I am
>pointing to - not the point and click "draw/auto-fill" designs "Herb" and
>some others attempted to post in filling requests.
>
>>Posts like yours do nothing to revive newsgroups.
>>
>Yes, plenty have tried jacking up the Band's van, taking the wheels off...
>the Band walks off, with a shrug. "HAND" being the message..
>It is impossible to force folks to post, anything,,, anything at all.
>
>There is why you get this 'short' examination of the whole, Bill, in
>appreciation of your visit and the work you do in trying.
>I wish your Easter is kind to you.
>And, despite those days you denied the Lighthouse had right-0-way, I also
>wish your Ship rides only calm brilliant blue seas.
>
>>If you want this group to be active, find someone
>>with the content that you seek and convince them
>>to post it here.
>>
>>Or not.
>>
>.. and, as my best bud used to say, "crickets" is all BR has.
>So that is a Not.
>For mine embroidery design was a journey, a journey ended by injury.
>Unlike "Don" I will not be dying with hands totally wrecked from a lifetime
>of punching out designs, I will however be always glad of the experience,
>content with the memory of those who formed my view(s), those who
>patiently educated, and one whose focus I never fulfilled, regrettably.
>
>Thanks for your post, Bill.
>
>-
>pstd using my original nick/nym from 2004 - a delight for the tinfoil hat
>crowd given the "P.BENGI/Gymmy Bob" efforts on screwing with his msOE
>setup in trolling posters across many newsgroups, none of it original.
>For those that forgot, or do not know, "tazoar" was intended as loose use
>of spermatozoa - in hindsight I know penetration was a dream.
>
TAZ!!!! You're still alive and kicking!!!! Missed you buddy!!
jr
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