| Re: Req:Help me: Can someone digitizie this logo? |
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| Herb (Herb@the.herb.garden) |
2010/04/11 09:43 |
Pixie wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:27:56 -0700, Herb <Herb@the.herb.garden> wrote:
>
>
>>bigmama wrote:
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>>>The letters are moved and there are spaces blanks without stitch.
>>
>>Thanks for the info .. now I see the gap at the bottom of the "m". Not
>>sure what you mean by "the letters are moved", because they were done
>>the same as any other design element, not as 'letters'.
>>
>
> "Letters are moved".... yeah... they are. The whole design moved...
>
> The letters stayed where they were Herb... (cos you and I know they
> can't "move" on the file) it was so freakin' huge by the time the
> letters were sewn (last colour) it had moved so much in the hoop that
> the letters "appeared" to have moved.
> The letters are exactly where they should be. The fabric moved.
I figured that that part of the problem was hooping/stabilizer. I
didn't want to appear to blame bigmama for shared failures.
> Herb... a hint... underlay stitches. I know you aren't a fan, but the
> time has come to figure out on that click and go program where the
> button is that does it... and do it perpendicular to the direction of
> the embroidery stitches going on top of it.
After my having done this for so long, you're right. It's about time
that I really should start learning how to really use these tools! I
just looked it up in C'N'S and you tell it what kind of fabric, and it
selects the appropriate "stitch length, density, and underlay." So it
says. But it doesn't say or show (in the program or the user manual)
just what it selects for each fabric or embroidery type. Needs some
experimentation.
> But, having said that, underlay stitches alone would not have helped,
> more later.
> On a design that BIG, and you mentioned this yourself, 66,000+
> stitches is just heading for disaster - on a number of levels.
> Without underlay stitching to give it some sort of initial
> stabilisation, it didn't have a hope of staying aligned.
> Again, in saying that... I'm thinking it wasn't hooped correctly...
>
> For a start, see how all the bigger patches of stitches are ALL
> horizontal.
> Parallel to the weft of the fabric. You are digitising in the same
> direction as the weave ... this always produces tears.
> Vertical and horizontal stitching is a no no (at beginner levels)...
> especially for the faint of heart... /grin
I used Artista to do this. For some reason its default mode is just
about everything in the same direction. The cheaper Click'n'stitch
varies its directions, but has other problems.
> Even a 5 degree shift will put the stitches in a stronger position.
> Underlay first will keep them there...
>
> All this does is bunch the weave of the fabric together as more and
> more stitches are laid down. For smaller projects this may not occur,
> but the stitches are in danger of just disappearing into the weave or
> pile of the fabric.
> That is why underlay stitching is so important on bigger projects.
> Think of a corset and the lacing up. The more lacing, the tighter the
> waist gets. Pretty as that is in RL, it's not ideal in machine
> embroidery.
The design I posted actually DOES have underlay stitches. Artista puts
them in automatically. They may not be effective because the underlay
stitches immediately precede their associated object - so the second
object's underlay isn't laid down until the first object is completed.
> That is effectively what happened and how the letters "moved". By the
> time they were sewn, the design was narrower on the fabric.
> The letters ARE actually sewing where they should, the fabric is just
> not in the same place it was almost 60,000 stitches ago!!
>
> For something this big, I would have to have used a layer of cutaway
> (probably two) to belay any movement. And not floated underneath, I
> would have hooped it to death. This design was never gonna stay
> aligned without something immovable underneath. And I mean immovable.
> Hard to do with a design this size. I'm not a fan of anything wider
> than 150mm... I've seen a lot of crappy attempts at the big hoop stuff
> by women with weak wrists (hooping problems).
> Adjusting stitch compensation (where colours overlay each other just a
> bit more to compensate for movement) would be needed in this.
> The design looks neat and aligned on the computer screen. The viewer
> isn't fabric. Fabric moves when stitched to death, like this is.
Hmm.. ready to design a flexible monitor screen?
> And! Just to throw another variable in ... machine tension. They are
> all different. It is something a digitiser cannot even guess at.
> This will also cause movement problems. It is not something you should
> have to worry about. One should be aware of one's individual machine
> quirks.
>
> Oh... as an aside. Some of the colours are just in the wrong order
> completely.
> Colour five just gets eaten up by colour ten. I zoomed in on it
> thinking it was just misaligned stitches, to discover it is supposed
> to be highlighting.
In fact it shouldn't have been there at all.
> It didn't seem necessary to the design as a whole
> anyway, but most of it gets covered by the blue at a later stage,
> making it superfluous.
> The program is picking up too many unnecessary colours and not knowing
> what to do with them.
Artista can be TOO good. The CNS version didn't have this problem -
but it had others. I never looked at the actual color selections and
stitching sequence once the final image looked half-way decent.
That'll teach me to 'assume'. Again.
> It was a valiant attempt. I hope I haven't sounded "picky".
> You wanted to know, so here ya go... /grin
Yes I did - and thank you.
>
> Pixie :-))
> One last word of advice... you don't know the sewing abilities of the
> person requesting a digitising project...
> You doan know the one million ways they can screw up anything you
> offer, and without even trying! /grin.
> No... this design was destined to die a slow and natural death upon
> sewing it out.
> But I have also seen what can happen to a perfectly good offering...
> It was sad to watch... /grin
I've been picky about requestors saying how big they want a design.
But haven't bothered asking about the intended fabric. Unless someone
specifically says "I want to put this on a baby blanket", I just use
whatever default fabric the application comes up with.
- Herb
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