Deviance means any deviation from social norms. It does not mean a bad
thing. For example, homosexuality, or S & M is sexually deviant because they
are not social norms. That does not mean they are intolerable or bad. I
don't think there's anything wrong with either because it is between
consenting, mature individuals. It seems as though you're confused about the
definition. You said you wanted me to use correct definitions, not the ones
widely used by society, right? You should read some developmental psyc texts
to figure it out. I would say, a child is not ready for consentual sex until
they have reached Kohlberg's postconventional morality stage. I don't think
a five year old qualifies. Obviously, you as an adult can convince a child
to do anything.
"Laurence Taylor" <see-headers@spamfree.plus.com> wrote in message
news:4071190B.1B1CEDEE@spamfree.plus.com...
> Erin wrote:
> >
> > You're confusing a dictionary definition with what is the common
definition
> > of most societies.
>
> Eh? You mean I'm confusing the _correct_ definition (which is what
> dictionaries publish) with a _wrong_ one (which is used to sell
> newspapers). Relying on the gutter press and those with a vested
> interest for your definitions is unhelpful to say the least.
>
> Now you've acknowledged using the word incorrectly, perhaps you could
> stick to precise definitions and usage? If you mean rapists, say so. If
> you mean child molesters, say so.
>
> > I don't think any sexual deviance is wrong if it's
> > between consenting , fully developed (both mentally and physically),
> > adults.
>
> By using the word "deviance", you are displaying your prejudices.
> However, to answer your point, how do you define when someone is
> developed? Or, indeed, what do you count as an "adult"?
>
> If full physical and mental devlopmnt is needed, when are these points
> reached? What about a 21-year-old who, because of hormonal or other
> physiological problems, never reached puberty? Would you seek to prevent
> him/her having a sexual relationship?
>
> > Instead of me drawing the line for you of what's acceptable,
>
> Why won't you say? I'm interested to know where you stand.
>
> > I'd
> > like you to tell me what you consider to be consentual sex.
>
> Depending on your exact definition of "sex" (do you mean intercourse, or
> mutual masturbation, or kising, or what?), consensual sex is when both
> people involved are in total agreement, quite happy to proceed of their
> own free will, and not acting under any force or coercion.
>
> > Can a five year
> > old effectively decide about sex?
>
> What do you eman by "effectively"? A person of five is certainly capable
> of knowing whether s/he likes or dislikes an activity, and of showing
> that opinion.
>
> > Is it ok to have sex with a two year old?
>
> If you mean intercourse, certainly not. I don't know of anyone who would
> say otherwise.
>
> And I notice you again ignored my other questions.
>
> --
> rgds
> LAurence
>
> ... Good people do not let others suffer needlessly
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