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From: "Daniel Harper" <daniel_harper@terralink.net>
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Subject: Re: CHEZ WATT Re: Any Puter Experts That Can Help
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:33:14 +0000 (UTC)
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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:28:47 +0000, Uncle Davey wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 21:01:23 +0000, Uncle Davey wrote:
>>
>>
>> >> Floyd wrote:
>> >> > "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
>> > news:<c1q5ag$pvb$0@pita.alt.net>...
>> >> >
<snipping for length>
Floyd has already given an excellent response to this, but I figured I'd
throw in my two cents anyway.
>> >>
>> > We are talking about fruit in it's figurative sense, presumably.
>> >
>> > If a literal meaning is plainly impossible, it must be true only on
>> > the figurative level.
>> >
>> >
>> Like Genesis One and Two?
>>
>>
> If it were sure that we couldn't understand them on a literal level, then
> they would have to be understood on a metaphorical level.
>
> But I'm not going down the road of understanding things in a metaphorical
> level unless I'm sure they're not meant on a literal level.
>
> Some things are meant to be understood, I would suppose, on more than one
> level.
>
> But I doubt that there are things which should not be understood on any
> level.
>
The thing is that we have evidence not only that the real world history
doesn't match up to the way the Biblical accounts describe it, but also
that the accounts in Genesis One and Two are contradictory and come as
much from political need as a desire to write, in any sense, "true"
history.
I would argue that where historical context clearly indicates that a verse
is not intended literally, the honest and Christian thing to do is to take
it at its meaning.
> Is Genesis 1 and 2 actually a fitting metaphor of evolution, or is it
> saying the opposite?
>
Floyd has already given you a detailed answer here. Personally, I don't
much jibe with such accounts that "read into" the Bible what was not
already there, although I understand that for many people it is a
faith-affirming experience. To me both types of biblical interpretation
are equally flawed from a theological standpoint, although of course I
have less of a problem when no one attempts to teach such things as fact
in high school science classrooms.
Personally, I see the text of Genesis (and much of the Bible) as simply
flawed individuals' attempts to explain God as well as they could
understand him. Their words have importance historically to the
Judeo-Christian culture and ethic, but need have no "authority" in the
sense that most church leaders and believers use it. God is much too large
to fit within the pages of the Bible.
> Uncle Davey
--
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor'and 'hate your enemy.'
But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you, that
you may be like your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on
the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."
(Matthew 5:43-45, New English Translation)
--Daniel Harper
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