In article <qrfk06h654n0g4nrr8k9tkil0hcudbakct@4ax.com>, NP-f31 wrote:
> On 5 Jun 2010 00:35:01 -0500, " +Grant. " <+Grant@grant.grant> wrote:
>
> >In article <b7gj06l2dtk8rbmjbl2hkm57sr6dqsctft@4ax.com>,
> ><victorvictorian@hushmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 21:13:46 -0400, NP-f31 wrote:
> >>
> >> >A BL friend wrote to me the other day about a date he recently had
> >> >with a woman who is a nurse. She worked in palliative care and was
> >> >talking about the death of one of her patients that had just occurred.
> >> >As it turns out this patient had been a 12 year old terminally ill
> >> >boy. The date had imbibed a few drinks and her tongue was loosened.
> >> >She began to explain to my friend that she had granted the dying wish
> >> >of this boy. He had, over a series of days, told her that the one
> >> >thing he didn't want to do was die a virgin and that she was his only
> >> >hope. She is an attractive woman, by the way. One day not long before
> >> >he died she was assisting him in the shower and he implored her to
> >> >touch him. She said she felt sorry for him, and she ended up making
> >> >love to the boy and added that it was an enjoyable experience for the
> >> >both of them. This really got the attention of my BL friend, it
> >> >intrigued him to say the least. He told her that he wasn't judging her
> >> >and that what she did was an unselfish act. Armed with that knowledge
> >> >she admitted to my friend that this wasn't the first terminally ill
> >> >adolescent she'd sent to heaven a man. Then she told him that she knew
> >> >of many hospice nurses who had done the same thing. How many? She
> >> >didn't say. This absolutely blew my friend's mind. He wondered what my
> >> >feelings were on the subject and I told him. I'll share them with you
> >> >too and I hope you'll share your feelings on the subject as well.
> >> >
> >> >Here is what I think:
> >> >
> >> >I think that nurses who have sex with terminally ill boys are
> >> >fulfilling their own fantasies, not some boy's dying wish. Put the
> >> >shoe on the other foot, if a male nurse had been asked the same
> >> >question by a terminally ill 12 year old girl, the male nurse would
> >> >be seen as a rapist, especially by the drunken nurse. She
> >> >wanted those 12 year old boys for the same reason we, as BLs, would.
> >> >She has convinced herself that she was fulfilling his final wish. What
> >> >she really did was seduce and rape him. That's how it would be seen if
> >> >we did it. I won't allow her to live in a double standard world. What
> >> >if the boy had been gay? Would she have sought out a male nurse to
> >> >service him? No, she was living out her fantasies and she's justified
> >> >it in her mind because the kids were dying. What if either boy had
> >> >made a miraculous recovery? What would she be then? A statutory
> >> >rapist. Just because the boy dies doesn't make it okay. If you and I,
> >> >as boylovers, have to go to jail for making love to a boy who wants us
> >> >to, then she has to also. Otherwise, when is rape not a rape? When a
> >> >woman does it? Tell that to Mary Kay Laterno. If the boy is dying?
> >> >Well, that would lead to a rash of rape-murders, wouldn't it?
> >> >
> >> >I think this scenario shows the whole ingrained bias against man/boy
> >> >relationships. I guarantee you if it were the other way around, man
> >> >and girl, she would be horrified and so would her hospice boy rapist
> >> >friends.
> >> >
> >> >Your thoughts solicited...
> >> >
> >> >Doc
> >> >NP-f31
> >>
> >> My Dear Doc,
> >>
> >> I feel sorry for the young fellow. When one reaches that age, one
> >> becomes acutely aware of being on the doorstep of manhood, with all of
> >> the expectations one has heard from friends and family as to what
> >> makes a "real man." If indeed the story was true, the lad had learned
> >> he would be unfulfilled if he were to die a virgin. How preposterous,
> >> of course, but very sad, don't you think?
> >>
> >> If the nurse felt she were "doing the lad a favour" by sending him to
> >> heaven as a "real man," that is equally preposterous and equally
> >> tragic.
> >>
> >> But if she acted to satisfy and confort him, then she is as an angel.
> >>
> >> To your argument. You state that nurses (presumably both men and
> >> women) are fulfilling their own fantasies rather than the desire of
> >> their younger partners. First, what should be so surprising or
> >> objectionable about that? Second, if the younger partner makes such a
> >> request and enjoys the experience, what should be so objectionable
> >> about that? That a male nurse would be "seen as a rapist" is
> >> precisely that ... SEEN ... by OTHERS, as a rapist ... completely
> >> irrespective of the feelings of the younger partner. We are so
> >> constrained by society, to such a great extent by gender roles. Men
> >> are seen as predatory ... women as sympathetic and nurturing. There
> >> have been cases, several of which I am certain you are familiar, where
> >> a woman, most particularly a teacher, had been accused and convicted
> >> of "rape" of a male student. Yet I hazard that these women do not
> >> suffer near the punishment NOR the ostricisation that men do, because
> >> of society's view of the nature of men and women.
> >>
> >> We are also constrained, perhaps unfairly and inaccurately, by
> >> society's view of sex ... what the sexual feeling really is, who is
> >> capable of feeling it and what it signifies, how a sexual act is
> >> defined, and who may or may NOT engage in sexual acts. These rules
> >> are less fundamental or, for that matter natural, than they are
> >> arbitrary ... rules simply created by any society--groups of people
> >> adhering to a traditional code of behaviour-- to organize and control
> >> members of that society. So the idea that a grown woman and a young
> >> boy or girl, or a grown man and the same, could not mutually enjoy
> >> sexual contact, and that the younger partner would be fundamentally
> >> scarred from the experience in all cases, is only substantiated in a
> >> society that upholds that idea.
> >>
> >> Thus you state that the nurse "raped" him. Did she? How are you
> >> defining rape, and from whence do you get the inspiration for that
> >> definition, sir? You also state that, because a man engaging in a
> >> similar act with a girl (or, for that matter, a boy) will invariably
> >> be judged a rapist and sent to jail ... therefore so should the woman
> >> be punished in like.
> >>
> >> I recall Ted's signature line here ... "An Unjust Law is Not Law."
> >> Boylovers are subjected to the most heinous and draconian laws and
> >> punishments for loving a boy. You would therefore subject women who
> >> love boys or girls to the same injustice?
> >>
> >> And should this be overturned (which, of course, it will not) would
> >> that lead to a rash of rape-murders? I think you overstate
> >> considerably here, for emotion-stirring purposes. Of course not. It
> >> is the law itself that has oft led to this terrible end. For Love
> >> does not Murder the object of its desire. Hatred does.
> >>
> >> Lastly, you state that the scenario shows an ingrained bias against
> >> man/boy relationships. Yes, in a sense, I suppose. But you know, all
> >> our biases are learned ...
> >>
> >> A very wise doctor once told me, "Any LOVE is GOOD love." Let the two
> >> of them be.
> >>
> >> With all due respect,
> >>
> >> VV
> >> God Save the Queen!
> >> God Bless the House of Windsor!
> >> Rule Britannia!
> >
> >
> >First to Doc a thank you for your post. Its something we need to know
> >about and discuss. Its important. Please don't stop if you get some
> >criticism for part of it. Its not personal but an important part of
> >good discussion.
> >
> >Second, thank you VV for a great reply. There isn't anything in it I
> >can disagree with and I wish I could write as well as you do.
> >
> >The important thing here is the boy asked first. Pleaded. Did she do it
> >just because she lusted after him? Have you *seen* children who are
> >dying? They are not pretty when they are not on camera in news stories.
> >She took a big risk getting caught in the act or having the boy die in
> >her naked arms. Did she do it for him or just for her? We don't know.
> >She might not know either. I don't think it matters. The results count
> >more than the motivation. I think she is a hero. She gave a dying boy
> >what he pleaded for at great risk to herself and knowing she will have
> >a dead lover to grieve over soon. If she enjoyed the sex thats a bonus
> >but not as much as some would think, all things considered.
> >I think boys in this very boring waiting to die situation just want sex
> >any way they can get it. Its way better than TV. Manipulating the
> >nurses with the "dying a virgin" act is just a ploy however true the
> >dying part is. It looks like it works for them. It did for me (but I
> >was an adult). How much do you want to bet the boys who are successful
> >at this pass the word along to the other boys in the ward? Good for
> >them!
> >
> >Extra note:
> >It could be a surprise to some people but nurses (not all of course)
> >have been having sex with patients since medical nurses were invented.
> >We are sexual beings. That doesn't stop when we are stuck in a
> >hospital. Nurses know this even if doctors don't want to that people
> >heal better when they don't have sexual (abstinence) tension causing
> >interference with the process. I personally can testify to this. LOL
> >
> >ps has anybody been reading my story posts?
>
> Hey Grant!
>
> Excellent post and an interesting perspective. You call to mind how
> Garp was conceived. ;) So you think the boys were getting over on the
> nurses? LOL!
My perspective is a lot of "been there done that". LOL
Hospital stays are very boring. Anything to relieve that is great and a
two for one deal is even better. LOL
> Thanks!
>
> Doc
> NP-f31
>
> PS- I've been reading your stories. Keep up the good work.
Thanx
You might recognize some of the situations and characters in the
stories from some emails but I'm making most of it up as I go along.
I'm trying to incorporate something sexual in each adventure but I
don't know how I'm going to do it in the next one that is about
different kinds of water. Strange. I just thought up how. LOL In fact I
just thought up a story after that which has something big in it.
Maybe I should write these replies more often! LOL
--
Grant
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