On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 11:51:43 +0200, COM@comeon.net wrote:
>On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 22:30:44 -0400, Opoponax
><opoponaxNOSPAM@hushmail.com> wrote:
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>>On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 23:28:02 +0200, COM@comeon.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 09:44:48 -0400, Opoponax
>>><opoponaxNOSPAM@hushmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 13:42:59 +0200, COM@comeon.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 06:24:31 -0400, Opoponax
>>>>><opoponaxNOSPAM@hushmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:50:53 +0200, COM@comeon.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Olivier, Olivier (1992)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102583/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>COM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I mentioned this to you elsewhere, but here it is again for anyone
>>>>>>else who might want to know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The DVD release of this movie is not the way to go. It's heavily
>>>>>>edited (I forget how much was removed, but quite at lot) from what was
>>>>>>in the VHS release. I have no idea about quality, but with so much
>>>>>>removed, I'd be grateful for a well-done VHS rip of this one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-Opoponax
>>>>>>Wolf! Right here and now!
>>>>>
>>>>>Can't remember having heard that, but it sounds to be a cruel
>>>>>treatment to a movie
>>>>>
>>>>>COM
>>>>
>>>>I remember I was absolutely apalled when I read it, since I'd been
>>>>considering ordering the DVD from ah mah zone you kay for both of us,
>>>>and now I can't find the discussion where I found this out....
>>>>
>>>>However, compare the VHS and DVD running times for the VHS (dot com)
>>>>and the DVD (dot co dot uk). You'll need to convert, since the VHS is
>>>>NTSC and the DVD is PAL)
>>>>
>>>>VHS is 110 minutes NTSC (which is 105.6 PAL)
>>>>DVD is 105 minutes PAL (which is 109.4 NTSC)
>>>>
>>>>so now that I've done the math I don't see a whackload of difference.
>>>>Maybe the one who posted the complaint had a bogus or alternative DVD
>>>>release (such as an import, modified to get past customs).
>>>>
>>>>I'll keep looking for the DVD and we will see what we will see
>>>>
>>>>-Opoponax
>>>>Wolf! Right here and now!
>>>
>>>Found this:
>>>
>>>Buy VHS not DVD
>>>Author: mikedarlow from United Kingdom
>>>13 July 2007
>>>I recorded most of movie on VHS many years ago, and have just bought a
>>>used DVD from USA.
>>>
>>>I wish to warn viewers, that a full 17 minutes is omitted on DVD, near
>>>the films end.
>>>
>>>From point where the older Olivier returns home finding Serge delving
>>>in the garage, asking for help to sort out mess, to the point where
>>>Olivier drives on his motorbike to the little house and gives Marcel
>>>his just deserts, full 17 minutes omitted on DVD .
>>>
>>>THIS IS THE HEART OF THE MOVIE
>>>
>>>Will try to relate what is missing on DVD :-
>>>
>>>Father Serge in Garage, finds old bottle of Calvados; he and Olivier
>>>consume it all getting drunk. They accuse each in turn of running away
>>>from home.
>>>
>>>When they rejoin the two women, man and boy are in a bad way, Olivier
>>>singing 'House of the Rising Sun'.
>>>
>>>Wife takes Serge to bed nursing his hangover
>>>
>>>Later mother relates to Nadine what happened out shopping. Surrounded
>>>by lady shoppers, Gossip questing about return of husband and son.
>>>Newspaper reports true relative Olivier ? (Implication rent boy).
>>>
>>>Nadine finds Olivier in bed crying. She joins him. Olivier produces
>>>sisters questionnaire board and supplies Nadine, with all the correct
>>>answers.
>>>
>>>Then Olivier half dressed, enters Nadine's bedroom; she in turn is
>>>crying. He joins her in bed, he is cold and lonely. Nadine questions
>>>him again about Paris. He explains that his life has been in a series
>>>of railway station, his orphanages.
>>>
>>>She draws him closer and then they have sex.
>>>
>>>(Viewers wondering is this incest)?
>>>
>>>Later Nadine becomes utterly convinced that Olivier is her brother and
>>>rushes to tell father Serge what she has seen and heard outside the
>>>house
>>>
>>>At this point, we rejoin the DVD near the film's end, Olivier sorting
>>>out Marcel.
>>>
>>>I think it criminal that heart of the film omitted on DVD.
>>>
>>>olivier olivier is a very fine film, ruined in the DVD version. Buy
>>>the VHS and enjoy !
>>>
>>>Sincerely, Michael Darlow.
>>>
>>>
>>>COM
>>
>>Sounds like it could be I was right when I said "Maybe the one who
>>posted the complaint had a bogus or alternative DVD release (such as
>>an import, modified to get past customs)."
>>
>>He did specify he'd bought it from a USA source, whereas the PAL DVD I
>>used in the comparison above was from ah mah zahn dot co dot uk
>>
>>I can't afford the DVD at the moment (probably not for a few months)
>>and since I'd have to buy a VCR and learn how to do VHS rips, there's
>>no point in buying the VHS.
>>
>>-Opoponax
>>Wolf! Right here and now!
>
>Isn't the 5 mns difference between NTSC and PAL 5 mns?
>
>COM
The 5 minutes difference between NTSC and PAL versions is not anything
cut, it's the normal result of converting between the two formats.
So of the two versions I saw, mathematically there's nothing lost on
the DVD version.
-Opoponax
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