Incredible post, Doc. I never could relate to the entitlement
mentality. The posters of certain material are placing themself at
great risk by doing so. Kurkers should accept these posts, as they
are, with a great sense of gratitude. Those who are willing to take
great risk to share should be treated with respect and awe. Those who
bitch about the manner and content of the posts are likely the same
people who complain loudly that their welfare check dhould be larger,
or is a day late. Repulsive, isn't it?
As for your observations about content protecting boys, I agree in
part. Human beings are sexual creatures, and to ask us to completely
deprive our sexuality is unnatural, unreasonable, and begging for
disaster. Most BLers are willing to live without ever fulfilling their
desires for loving sexual contact, a sacrifice that most straights
can't even imagine, but to deny ourselves our fantasies is too much.
Unless we are able to divert our sexual needs away from boys we are in
contact with, and focus our needs to our fantasy world, and find at
least some degree of satisfaction there, too mant BLers will continue
to take unacceptable risks. I wish the witch hunters would see the
logic in this.
Where I find room for debate is the question of what is legitimately
considered exploitation. Which is more exploitive? a) a man gives a
boy a blowjob and brings him to orgasm, or b) that man posts a video
of the blowjob on the usenet for other BLers to enjoy.
I believe that at the top of the exploitation food chain is for profit
pornography, Russion porn for example. A close second would be adults
who have coorsive/unwanted sex with a child and posts videos or
pictures of the act on the usenet. Third would be adults who post
pictures/videos of consentual sexual encounters without the knowledge
or consent of the chiled involved. Even with consent, posting such
material can be considered exploitive. At the bottom of the
exploitation foodchain are the bibcams; sex videos created and shared
on the internet by boys. I see this as a form of natural sex play.
Instead of jerking off together in a tent in their back yard, they are
doing it together via a webcam and an internet connection. Still, the
distribution of bibcam videos can be considered exploitive. Most of
these videos were intended as private chats, not intended for public
consumption. Many of the kids were unkowingly chatting with adults,
who then posted them on the usenet.
I believe that it is harmful to post videos of boys having sex because
they are not capable of giving informed consent. Most ten year olds do
not have the foresight to see the potential for personal
harm/destruction as they become somewhat famous around the world.
These boys eventually grow up and have to live with the idea that
those videos are out there.
I don't believe that looking at porn is harmful or exploitive. The boy
in the picture is unaware that you are milking your manhood while
viewing his image. He couldn't care less if you drizzle cum like a
leaky faucet or if you hit targets from ten feet away, because he
can't see you doing it. I DO believe that paying money for kp IS
exploitive because it puts money into the pockets of those who exploit
boys for profit, therefore encouraging more direct exploitation.
So DON'T buy the stuff. Be cool with those who are willing to take the
risks in sharing free material with you. Don't bitch at them because
you are made to jump through a few hoops to get the material. Thos
hoops are their to help keep the posters safe from losing their
freedom or their lives. YOU are responsible for learning how to
download and view the material. Don't let your greed cause you to
expose the groups to trolls and the authorities. Don't cause the
risk-takers any additional risks. Accept that you are not going to be
able to access everything that is out there and don't expect
everything that you want to be available to you. You don't go batshit
on a BMW dealer because you can't afford to walk onto their lot and
buy one of their cars, so why should you go batshit if you can't make
a file that you obtained for free work for you?
Peace!
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:02:11 -0400, NP-f31 wrote:
>Attention ALL and text posters:
>
>Let me preface this by saying NO ONE should take this post as a
>personal attack. I am addressing the group and group behaviors.
>
>You may have noticed that there is a steadily decreasing amount of
>content available in the groups. This is YOUR fault. The posters
>are sick and tired of you endangering their security by making
>comments about the nature of the content of posts. I don't blame
>them. Why should they bother posting openly when someone (who
>doesn't know better) posts passwords, group names, or content
>descriptions for everyone to see? What happens then? The posters
>get their posting privileges canceled or worse.
>
>The posters are fed up with your constant whining. 'I can't see
>this post on my server!' Why are you posting with yEnc? My
>newreader can't decode that!' 'Why doesn't anyone post more of THIS
>or THAT?' 'What kind of program opens these files?'
>
>They are irritated with your laziness. Why would anyone ask for a
>repost if the PAR files are right there? If you're not receiving
>complete posts why don't you change news servers? Get the software,
>Learn to use the software, and you will have no problems. The
>posters KNOW when their posts don't go through properly. When that
>happens they almost ALWAYS do a repost without anyone asking.
>
>And most of all they are sick of your demanding attitude. 'Post the
>following titles for me:' 'I requested these last week, why didn't
>you post them?' 'I didn't like that post, post more of this.' You
>know all of this is true. You're either lazy, stupid or evil. Take
>your pick.
>
>As of today, ALMOST ALL of the posters have left, they are
>posting for themselves in secret groups and you find yourselves ASS
>OUT.
>
>That's right, they are in secret groups, and not so secret groups,
>posting for themselves only. They will not acknowledge you, they will
>not respond to you. They disdain you. And YOU made all of this happen
>either through inexperience, stupidity or selfishness.
>
>I tried to broker a deal with the posters on your behalf to allow me
>to share passwords and the location of the secret groups so you will
>have access to the content you seek. They would have none of it. I
>guess I don't blame them. Don't ask me for the secret groups or the
>passwords, I don't have the passwords and I won't give out the group
>names, it doesn't matter anyway, you could never access the material.
>
>A buttload of people have asked for my list of groups. Almost all are
>appreciative, if they acknowledge my e-mail at all, but then some
>write back to complain that many groups are dead or there is not much
>posting going on. This is typical of the behavior I'm talking about. I
>give you a list of recently active groups and you complain to me that
>it's not enough. Bloody hell.
>
>SO now we have hundreds of lurkers who are desperate for new material.
>What are we going to do now?
>
>My primary concern is for the safety of boys in real life. As the
>groups have begun to dry up, lurkers have been getting more and
>more desperate. I believe that the content provided by the posters
>keeps boys safe, bottom line. If they can wank their fantasies
>away, then BLs are less likely to be aggressive toward a boy in
>their life.
>
>My secondary concern is for the safety of newbie lurkers who out of
>desperation and inexperience will make foolish mistakes that
>compromise their security and bring them into conflict with
>authorities. This is already happening.
>
>So what can YOU do?
>
>Well, if you have a boy in your life, leave him alone. Boys are the
>treasures we live for. Taking advantage of a boy for your own selfish
>gratification goes against what we're about. It will hurt the boy
>emotionally, physically and psychologically, it will likely end you in
>prison. Make your focus about the needs of the boy you love, NOT about
>your desires.
>
>DO NOT expose yourself to websites or peer-to-peer networks without
>the proper security measures. These two areas are where you are most
>vulnerable. Desperate people do desperate things and you'd only be
>making the job of LEA easier. Don't try to pick up a boy in a
>chatroom. It ISN'T a boy. It's a cop. Consider the dangers and
>consequences of your actions BEFORE you make a fatal mistake.
>
>As of this moment you have a tiny handful of posters willing to share
>with you. Treasure these posters, do nothing to alienate them.
>Appreciate them. When they go away you are completely fucked. If you
>show that you can act properly as a group, it may entice some former
>posters to return and give you a second chance. Pray for that to
>happen.
>
>SOME ADVICE:
>
>If there are parts missing in a post, use the PARS. If a post is so
>terribly corrupted that PARS can't fix it, then you need to get
>another news service.
>
>Don't complain that you don't have these groups on your news
>server. That's YOUR problem. Have your provider add the group or
>change services. Even now there are text posters in another group
>trying to hound one of the few remaining posters to switch to a
>different group. Posters rule, adapt! At the very least compromise
>delicately with the poster, DON'T be demanding.
>
>1) Do not not share the other group names openly.
>2) Except to say thanks, do not discuss group content openly. Rather
> make comments in a different group like this one.
>3) Thank posters appropriately.
>4) Do not post to ask questions in the content group. Use a separate
> text group, like this one.
>5) Do not post requests unless they are solicited by the posters.
>6) Do not post to ask for reposts. Use the PARS or change servers.
>7) Do not post to complain. Nobody cares what a whiner thinks and it
> just pisses off posters.
>
>If it is clear that a post was incomplete on the server of origin,
>discuss it in a separate text group. The poster may repost files if it
>is clear the poster's service came through incomplete. The idea is to
>keep the content of a group unknown to those who happen to be passing
>through, like trolls, or zealots. Someone would have to go to a lot of
>trouble to figure out what's going on in a group if we follow those
>guidelines.
>
>Finally, don't flame me for pointing these things out. For once, just
>consider how YOU might have been a part of the problem.
>
>STAY SAFE,
>
>Doc
>NP-f31
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